stop preaching. muslims believe in jesus as a messenger of God born out of mary. not as a Son of God or as a manifestation of God. this is a palestinian site dedicated to the struggle for the palestinian state against the occupation in the form of israel supported by the USA, mainly. but just to address you, jesus is not the saviour. it is God. not in human form. never. mercy in jesus? muslims say, bismillah ar-rahman ar-rahim. (IN THE NAME OF GOD THE GRACIOUS AND MERCIFUL).

get it? muslims acknowledge God's Grace and Mercy everyday without needing your hymns and poems..

you are harping a lost cause. it is called israel. clearly we can see that the exchange between you and sami leaves the observer with no choice but to see that you as a zionist supporter try to feign ignorance over others who have eyes, ears and brain. the loser in the exchange is you and the US jewish community because of their blind support of israel. and of course, israel.

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I am not sure that iraqi people, save kurds, are not one ethnos by now. Sumerians, akkadians, chaldeans, and assyrians may have assimilated semitic people who began to infiltrate mesopotamia ca 4.5 k yrs ago.

Kurds are muslim, but do not call selves "muslims". Or do they? Surely, hittites, philistines, nabateans, arameans, yehuds, israelites, hivvites must have by now became a total melting pot. So, calling self a palestinian is correct.
tnx for ur imput.

BARBARIANS

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When you delete comments that have already been followed by later comments, you mess up the numbering and make references by number to the deleted comment or subsequent ones incorrect. It would be better to just delete the contents of such comments and replace them with a note that they have been deleted. You could use a constant replacement text that you could paste each time, so you wouldn't have to do much more work.

"lebanese" and "iraqi" are not ethnic names, but names of nations carved by Western imperialists out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire after "the Great War" (a war which only later became known as "World War I").

Ethnic identity is very complex, but it certainly does include "religious" affiliation, even for many non-believers. That is certainly the case for Jews. One of my uncles was the only one in the family who seemed to care about the Jewish religion, and he was somewhat fanatical about it. IIRC, his two brothers were open atheists and my mother was probably agnostic. On my father's side, nobody talked much about religion. But they all identified as Jews and some, including my mother, freaked out when I threatened to not go through the Bar Mitzvah ritual. I wound up doing it to preserve peace in the family.

When I describe myself as, inter alia, an 'ethnic Jew', it is an acknowledgement of one of the forces that shaped me, not the assertion of tribal solidarity that it was for my parents' generation. (They didn't use the word 'ethnic' before 'Jew', either.)

I can't speak for other ethnicities, but, as one example, I'm sure there are many atheist and agnostic "Catholics" in occupied Northern Ireland.

Of course, italians, poles don't go by the name of their cult. Good many of them reject much of what bible says.
This is not,as far as i know, the case with muslims. And most of them seem to glorify quran.
I read parts of it and found it inane, antihuman; i soon stopped reading it.

Bible to me is just babble and torah just a whorah.
How deletereous effect of the 3 cults can be can be seen by their rejection of homosexuals. Had churches not terrorized them and put them to death they wldn't go hiding and in secert raped young boys.

Instead, they wld not have neeed to keep their sex secret and wld have sex with one another as they do now in much of the world. Thus, there wld not be victims.

In europe, a priest, until just 1800s cld be only a patrician. At one time kings were considered gods; as such were able to enserf or even enslave all nonpatricians.
Mullahs, muftis, imams promote feudal structure of societies and especialy in arab lands. There we find amirs, sheikhs, sultans, kings, aghas, beys, deys, princes and els and als maliki,amin, adin, and et al.

So most muslims are not contributing anything to socialism, democracy, fairness, etc.
rushdie may be the only muslim who exposed islam as a cult; tho it is better in some ways than the other two cults.
We are thus much impeded in our solemn duty to fight US warlords and its much fascist structure of governance. tnx

I expect there will be different reactions depending on one's life style or class basis. If you visit refugee camps I am sure you will get a different view than if you are talking to businessmen who realize the negative consequences for everyone of Major Hasan being identified as a Palestinian Muslim terrorist. When I first visited Lebanon and Jordan for four months in 1970, the attitudes towards armed struggle to regain the land was very different among businessmen who disliked Jews but were ready to do business with them and who opposed the fedayeen and those in the camps who were committed to doing so. If you are on a business trip and speaking with businessmen, I am not surprised that you have encountered the reaction you describe. In any event, the shooting at Ft. Hood were a tragedy for everyone and do not merit celebration.

My biggest difference with Trotskyists is that I don't believe that our task in the United States is to try to win a majority of the population, or even a majority of the "working class", to revolution. Nor do I see our task, as the reformist left does, to be winning a majority for a less vicious, less destructive, imperialism. Rather, I see our task to be the weakening of U.S. imperialism from within so that people in other countries can make their revolutions, which would then weaken U.S. imperialism from without and might make revolution in the U.S. possible in the future.

While I consider Major Hasan's alleged action to be a legitimate act of war, I'm not particularly happy about the deaths of rank-and-file soldiers, some of whom were probably decent people. (I was much happier about the action in 2003 of Sgt. Hasan Akbar, who attacked only officers, killing two and injuring another 10 or so.) But I also am not, in retrospect, happy over the deaths of tens of thousands of German soldiers, mostly conscripts, at Kursk and Stalingrad, though I'm rather glad the German Army was smashed there.

My main purpose in making my comments as I do is to show that not "every American" shares the hypocritical outrage being drummed up by the major media over this and other attacks on "Americans". There's a good essay by Ted Rall on this question at
http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/13-vs-2-million/Content?oid=1312082

As for my "parasitic life in beautiful Berkeley", I think that my ability to survive without contributing to the functioning of this society is perhaps my greatest achievement.

I agree with you that Maj. Hasan is more than likely viewed as a hero throughout the Middle East and much of Latin America and Africa,and particularly where the people have experienced the boot of the US military or are aware enough to have seen it for themselves on Al-Jazeera. If it was otherwise, I would be surprised. In China, and elsewhere there were reports of people who celebrated the events of 9-11 and I can understand that, as well. Here is the US which has its troops all over the globe where their presence is resented, and over the last forty years has killed millions of people who never did the US any harm while at the same time American go about their lives in relative safety.

That being said, for Aaron Arons or anyone else to praise the troubled Maj.Hasan for what he did is not the same thing. If nothing else, even if you harbor sympathies for his action, it's just plain STUPID. Do you, by taking that position, believe that you can convince people that anyone in this country who goes about killing US soldiers on or off their bases is providing justice? Obviously, not, or maybe I shouldn't say that because sometimes I find myself bewildered by the way Trotskyists think.

During the Vietnam war, I worked with vets from that war, both in LA and SF who had returned and were against the war. Has it occurred to you that some of the soldiers that Hasan kiilled, most of whom were apparently black, BTW. might not have also been against the war but did not have the privilege of an Aaron Aarons of living a parasitic life in beautiful Berkeley? Probably not.

There's nothing inherently good or bad about being a "mutant" anyway. If it weren't for mutants, we'd all still be amoebae.

> I think that the essence of the situation is that the perpetrator of the crime [sic!] is being scrutinised in such a way for two reasons: 1) that he was Muslim/Arab/Palestinian

The imperialist media have to be careful how they handle this, though! They can't say that he was a Muslim Arab reacting to the slaughter of Muslims (Arabs and others) by the U.S. military — slaughter that many of his psychiatric clients must have talked about. Framing it that way, you might have non-Muslims in the U.S., and even more in U.S.-allied countries, thinking and saying that, in an analogous situation and with sufficient courage, they might have reacted the same way. Or that, if they were the target group of attacks by an imperialist military, they would appreciate that somebody in that military would take an action like what happened at Fort Hood.

I'm sure that a reliable public opinion survey in Iraq or Afghanistan, or any Arab or Muslim country, would show a lot more sympathy for Major Nidal Hasan or for Hasan Akbar than for their "victims". The response might be similar in most of Latin America or Africa, too, except perhaps among the comprador elites.

I think I'm less alienated from the majority of humanity than are people like Sami and Jeff, who are so critical of my support for the two Hasans.