"Fourth Reich Israel" Blogger: Deceptive "Geneviève"
By Guest Post • Mar 16th, 2010 at 8:57 • Category: Hasbara Deconstruction Site, Israel, Newswire, Palestine, ZionismThe post that follows, (one of two) was on Facebook, where a discussion ensues giving more detail and perspective, and where "Geneviève" (probably her most charming alias) participates. Far from answering a single question (other than claiming she is a Muslim, but not explaining the behaviour that would be very difficult for a Muslim to accept), she accuses others of being Zionists, being murders, being lonely even! I was hesitant to publish this. After some reflection and advice seeking from a person who has studied in the most important Quranic school in Senegal, I reached the conclusion that it was necessary to publish about this deception in our community. The reason is quite evident. My friend told me that there is a consideration of morals and responsibility that must be assumed, and I believe the reason is convincing. "If a person puts a shard of broken glass where someone will be walking, that person is responsible for harming another. If instead, I do not put that glass there, but know it has been put there and do nothing to remove it or to warn you that it is there, I too assume responsibility for this harmful act, as if I myself had done it."
This is why activists attempt to protect one another from infiltrates, from harmful persons, even just suspicious persons or situations. They seek to keep the persons and cause they defend safe from harm. There are activists who will walk down the path paved with shards of "Geneviève"'s broken glass and deception. They should heed the warning, protect their privacy and beware. She certainly isn't the only one out there, just one whose game has been discovered. - Mary
This is the link where you may read the comments http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=feed&story_fbid=10150149787930204&id=100000513050132#!/note.php?note_id=360215809086&id=100000372458065&ref=mf The second post is even more explicit, and if you have Facebook, you can check it out yourself, following the link in the comments.
Written by Maik Finch
LINK to photo: (this is one of the photos from a shoot in Buenos Aires 2 or 3 years ago)
she'll tell you this photo was taken a few years back when she was a model
but now she's a 33 year old Parisienne who works in the editing business
_ except she isn't
Genevieve runs a blog that she wants to become well known
she uploads the posts to her blog from her Paris apartment
and all the wonderful poems that she's written
_ except she didn't
about two months ago Genevieve created a new ning group
that already has 178 members
_ except there aren't really that many
this afternoon Genevieve posted publicly on a social network
that she's about to become the chief editor of Palestine Telegraph
she told people she deserves this exalted position
for "working 10hours a day 7 days a week for Palestine"
on top of doing her editing job where she travels around the world
to make a living in order “to take care of myself and also fund my charity work and activism”
_ except she doesn't have a job
_ and there's no evidence we can find of her charity work
in the past Genevieve has told people she's a Muslim
_ except she isn't
she has had people banned from groups and sites
accusing them of sending her pornographic pictures
_ except they didn't
she has gained others sympathy and asked them to fight her corner
against unwanted sexual attacks and stalking of her which she never initiated
_ except she did
if we can believe Genevieve about anything
(we still don't know her real name btw)
she’s actually a 56 year old Canadian who was born in Hungary
she lives with her Jewish husband in British Columbia, Canada
and though her son follows the Jewish faith she is adamant she isn't Jewish herself
she boasts about wearing a $25,000 diamond wedding ring
and of "all the rubies and emeralds" that she owns
she makes fun and belittles her husband who she says does everything for her
(which might explain why she has so much time on her hands)
she says that she hates her real name because her parents gave it to her
she says that she doesn't use it because her parents abused her _
is this the real Genevieve?
since being discovered having concocted a series of the grossest lies
against a Palestinian man that many of us know
Genevieve has finally been called on to explain herself
and given several opportunities to provide even one scrap of evidence
for all the accusations she has made against Muslim men
she's been advised that to make such accusations without evidence
causes suspicion in others _ especially when the accusations never seem to end
both past and present her response has always been the same _
to turn on her questioners and the people she went to originally for help
and to accuse them of anything that comes in to her mind
zionist _ sadist _ pervert (the actual list is much longer)
BUT THE ONLY THING THAT SHE NEVER DOES
is provide the evidence to support these many claims
according to the experts
"a pathological liar is defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way
and who does so with little concern for others.
Pathological lying is a coping mechanism developed in early childhood
and it’s often associated with some other type of mental health disorder.
A pathological liar is often goal-oriented (lying is focused on getting one's way).
Pathological liars have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others.
A pathological liar comes across as being manipulative, cunning and self-centered.
(http://www.truthaboutdecep tion.com/confront_a_liar/p ublic/pathological-compuls ive.html)
THE PHOTO IS PROPERTY OF JIM DELILLO. It is the same lady in a white garment.
this is the photo that Genevieve has sent to unsuspecting Muslim men
here's another
"WET" BY JIM DELILLO, PROPERTY OF iSTOCK. LINK
http://fineartamerica.com/featured/wet-jim-delillo.html
she sends them when she thinks they've been hooked (It's by a stock photographer and the title is "Wet")
when Genevieve started her ning site
she asked others for help to create false accounts
because she wanted "to boost her numbers"
but there’s actually another reason for these false accounts _
here's a message she made from one of them before admitting it was really her
"i'm looking for a man like you _
i recently got rid of my 'x', not political enough
when are you coming to _____ so we can meet up"
that looks a lot like initiating something 'sexy'
and if you plan maliciously upon the response you might get
then the word for what you're doing is 'entrapment'
is Genevieve actually the enemy or someone we should feel sorry for?
does any of this really matter to any of us?
well it certainly does matter if you're a Muslim male
and you'd be well advised to stay away from her group
because you would never know which members are really her!!
and in my humble opinion it matters a whole lot more
if you're about to become chief editor of the Palestine Telegraph
(or was that just another lie?)
__________________________ __________________________ __________________
a question you might be asking yourselves
is why _ if so many have been affected by Genevieve’s lies
has it fallen on only me to tell you all this?
everyone in our activist community has their role to play _
and fortunately for all of us it doesn’t usually involve this kind of sordid situation
for me it’s maybe different _ if I have any role to play then it’s about ‘defence’
and i give a rat's ass for others opinions of who i am or what i do_
this has been an embarrassing and dirty business for everyone involved
taken weeks to gather evidence and extricate the men who were affected
according to the experts pathological liars should be continually confronted by their lies _
Genevieve was told to clean up her act and remove the false members of her group
sadly _ as predicted _ she simply became abusive
but she was given many chances to avoid this public disgrace _
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The speciality of the zionists is to decieve, they are experts at this, they make fake youtube channels, send comments on blogs, groups etc pretending to be this and that in order to make people they see as enemies look bad. Another zionist specialty is to accuse the enemy of being/doing what they are/do so if this person is calling people zionist left and right then this could be an attempt to make anti-zionists look paranoid and to belittle the label zionist and make it seem over-used and constantly used on persons that dont deserve to be called such. Zionists made themselves look bad by falsely accusing people left and right of being anti-semites so i wouldnt be surprised if they use this tactic against anti-zionists cuz one of their main propaganda ways is to falsely accuse their enemy of things which are true about themselves or portray them in a way which says more about themselves than it does about their enemy.
Sent to WordPress:
Subject: Slander and lies
Please remove these two posts immediately or my lawyer will be getting a hold of you.
None of these lies and allegations are true, the posts are libelous and unfounded.
WordPress is not a court of law and I am not guilty of anything.
A person is presumed innocent until proven guilty – in a court of law.
http://palestinethinktank.com/2010/03/16/fourth-reich-israel-blogger-deceptive-genevieve/
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/cyber-wars-princess-leah-is-a-fraud/
Mary, she deleted her comments on both of Maik's FB threads but added one above (sent to wordpress) two hours ago.
I hope someone is taking screenshots of what she writes places because it's a constant case of now you see it now you don't, just like her ning group, online, offline.
Genevieve, honest people don't comment places and then continuously delete their comments. You have done this repeatedly. That cannot be said to be a lie because it is PUBLIC information. What explanation can you give for that?
"Genviève", You are certainly not on trial, this is a site and sites about activism also monitor activism and those involved who are using the cause for their personal purposes as well as following legitimate sites. We try to discern the difference, and we expose hasbarists wherever they pop up. However, the "evidence" surrounding you is immense, and it's a bit hard for a screen name, an anonymous entity, to cry out about integrity, which you seem to lack. Maik wrote this article because he was worried about the harm you would do. I had no interest in you, except thought your comments were generally driven by a very immature analysis of the situation and a desire to pit person against person, and indeed, ignored you and the erroneous info you were trying to spread around about this site and other sites, but when I saw the FB article, I remembered the emails and I made the connection between the Ning Genevieve and "4th Reich Israel" blogger. Like I said, I never even looked into your blog before, the name alone is like a Zio trap.
Many of us have dozens of emails about your claims of men sexually harassing you and sending you obscene photos so you demand that the webmasters of sites "enforce" and ban them, (claiming to be Muslim when you know this will garner more sympathy, except…. are you really Muslim? Your actions are not really what a Muslimah would consider appropriate), only later for you to change your story somewhat when your "lover's spat" had abated, probably. I have these emails because the webmaster was in distress over what to do and since we were close friends and I have been following "internet activism" closely for about 13 years, she asked for my advice, and there are mails others sent to her, complaining about you, but of course, you knew what you were doing, just didn't think that your playing around with others would ever catch up with you. I suggested you be advised to inform the cops if you were indeed being stalked. There are also the emails where you insist others should do things you want, such as leave a group, join another one, take a link off of their sites that you don't like. We have those emails. There are emails where you send these photos. This photo on top was your photo on PM when you "asked for my friendship" on a Ning. It is not your photo. It was taken by a stock photographer when he was in Argentina. It's clear from the research: one looks up "Red Beret French" and this is one of the first photos that pops up! Ooh La La! C'est très française! And, you went to the trouble of getting more photos of that model from the same stock photographer and sending them around, which of course, you seemingly can't explain. Your location is "Paris" on the Ning, and funnily enough, your IP shows up in British Columbia. I could be in Paris in 3 hours if you want to meet, why not set up an appointment? Give me your Paris number and I can call you and check out that you are bonafide. But you can't do it because you are nowhere near the place. Another innocent lie, fine.
However, here it gets interesting: you also state that you received DEATH threats from a Zionist, and point out a generic threat that several people have gotten who have written about Iraq. The threat mentions (without name) that you have two sons. Could be true, however, if it is, it's a bit wierd for you to be sending sexy pictures to Muslim men who could be the age of your sons, anyway. If it is untrue then you should have noticed the "threat" or whatever it was didn't mention Israel, and the guy maybe doesn't even know where it is on the map, but you are claiming this has disturbed your life. Ok, maybe it did, however, there are some things that just don't add up there. Consider it from an observer's point of view.
You are going on the FB and declaring others are killers, murderers. You are bringing up people who have nothing to do with you or the conversation, and libeling them. Robin, I DID copy down some things, because snakes slither in and out and we have far too many pretenders, infiltrates, abusers of trust and those who seek to destroy others and the cause for us to be so lazy and call out this kind of deception that is meant to harm.
Your ning? You claim Zionists are welcome if they are "courteous". So consistent with your "Fourth Reich Israel" banter, isn't it? And all those messages to you in Romanian, that too is interesting. And the Orientalist pictures no one who supports Palestine would tolerate as anything but rank racism. And the film of Zundel's liberation that most activist know they should avoid putting on a site where the members share content because they might not agree with being lumped in with any argument about the Holocaust – not because they agree or disagree with whatever is being said, but because in their countries it could be dangerous for them! If you really believe in what you say, why all that anonymity? What have you really got to hide or be afraid of? Where is the evidence of your enormous charity work? We would see some. Know what someone found? ONE signature on a Care 2 petition. That's pretty much "it". Not a whole lot.
So, threatening people like you are continuing to do is not a very wise idea. People need to be informed of actresses who will involve them in a personal way, and you certainly have not explained any of your stuff, have you? Can you deny the photos? Can you deny the various names you use? Can you deny telling people to leave networks and join yours, can you deny looming through profiles for hours and contacting interesting people to lure them away from the network? Can you deny being banned from networks for accusing other members of unethical behaviour? Where are there accusations about you that are invented? Is there something here that is untrue?
That you select an "uber radical" name for your blog is one of the oldest tricks in the "snare 'em" catalogue. So, do you want to snare 'em to get their info, their contacts?
Perhaps Wordpress would be worried to know that you have been using the identity of someone and passing it off as yourself? Everyone who was on any of the Ning sites knows you used the beret picture as yours and several had gotten the other pictures (which weren't on the Ning, I would imagine).
Wonder what Jim DeLillo, the New Jersey photographer might say about the use of this photo and if the model would approve of her image being used by this blogger? http://www.prweb.com/releases/Fotolia/102009/prweb3060724.htm
Someone should probably ask him.
Care to at least explain "your photo" (since you never have a name, not even on Facebook, where everyone else does) to the hundreds who you have to do things like "befriend you" , leave or join communities, etc. They thought the person behind the picture was you. Unless you were in Buenos Aires last year, (and the photo of the person looks considerably younger than 33) it is going to be a bit difficult for people to understand how you can be a person of integrity. How do you explain the Calgary IP number that your name brings up, a bit far from Paris, non? Unless you are a time traveller. If you were really on the level, at least some explanations would start to come through, but all you do is accuse more people of more things.
By the way, if you are a journo, as you claim, you would know slander is verbal, not written. This is not libel, because all the claims made are things you did, photos you used, sent, declarations about yourself. Are they true? Are we supposed to believe them? So far, we only have a lot of stuff going back to you with about ten different identities.
I just spoke to the photographer, Jim DeLillo
Here is the gest of the conversation.
1. The photos were taken 2-3 years ago in Buenos Aires, he did not know the model, but said it would be highly unlikely the person sending the photos claiming them to be herself is the same person. In addition, he said it would be highly unlikely that a Muslim would model like that and then send out the photos in suggestive manner. He was highly skeptical that the model was a journalist. It could be that she was, but then again, why would a journalist be using the photos in the manner they were used
2. IStock photo is located in Calgary. They have a legal department. They are VERY protective of the use of their photos. First, they must be PURCHASED even by the model herself because IStock has the rights to them. They will gladly track down the misuse of their photos and prosecute.
I just spoke to the legal department at IStock. Veronica. The watermarks were removed from the photos before they were sent out. They are going to trace that if possible. In the meantime, here are the links for the IStock photos
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5812255/2/istockphoto_5812255-portrait-of-a-red-beret.jpg
Sorry, Jim has over 10,000 photos uploaded to IStock, so rather than go through them all, here is the link for "Weti"
http://fineartamerica.com/featured/wet-jim-delillo.html
I was mistaken, Jim actually owns the rights, but he has already been alerted that his photos are being used in this manner.
Thanks Robin. No one in the world should be having their image used deceptively, nor should one do it and then think it is ok to do. And all the other accusations and deception she's been doing probably are hurting her worse than those she wanted to entrap.
The identity appropriation is just part of this messy story. I'm sure iStock will take care of their business. I also am sure that this "Geneviève" does not reflect badly on Palestine activists… she's probably working for the other side and maybe even they are not too happy with how it was handled.
"Wet" was also posted with the model's permission to Model Mayhem. It's a site for models to try to get more work, which is AOK, but would a Muslim woman who is an activist be doing such a thing? I do NOT think so, and if by the far stretch chance that she was, she has been outted. TOTALLY inappropriate (IF she were a Muslim woman which I HIGHLY doubt!) and as you say, if she's working for the other side, she didn't handle her "assignment" too well.
"Genevieve" are you there? HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLO "Genevieve", any comment?
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/8383815
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Welcome to the world of Hasbara deception.
I remember when Gilad Atzmon published an article by Salaheddin Ahmad exposing 'Jews sans Frontier' as an Hasbara site – The "Jew Guru" at the site accused Gilad Atzmon as using Salahuddin ID to discredit his pro-Palestine website. When I happened to defend Gilad Atzmon at 'Jews Sans Frontier' – I was awarded with the usual Hasbara insults. Later, someone under the fake ID "Muslim Scot" posted a request on 'Rehmat's World' not to quote Gilad Atzmon, calling him "a nut".
However, the good news is that even Zionist-regime has acknowledged that the Israeli Hasbara is failing.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/02/14/report-israeli-hasbara-propaganda-is-failing/
Obviously a scam, there is no question as to whether the anonymous model in the photo is a Muslim because this is a stock photo and nothing more. The whole thing is a trap for Muslim men, set by a pathologically narcissistic woman in need of entertainment, ego gratification, or to get into something even more dangerous. This is not something that needs a large degree of examination or speculation; it's very obvious.
A word to the wise on facebook – don't take on new friends unless they have several mutual friends with you. If you're not comfortable, send messages to those mutual friends and try to find out what they know about that person. I just had a very unpleasant little experience with someone who, while not a hasbarist, was a religious fanatic who ranted at me, quoting the Quran out of context and talking about stoning people to death. It was very tricky getting away from this guy; I was afraid he would turn on me and attack me publicly. So beware, there are mentally ill people sitting at keyboards and they can be dangerous.
Maik, Mary, Steve, Crystal and all others who have published this illegal slander: My lawyer is in possession of the photographs from the person who was banned from Palestinian Mothers for sending me unsolicited photographs of his genitals (penis and testicles) – which I had deleted on my computer, however, my lawyer had my computer sent to an agency that retrieves data from hard-drives.
Do you all still wish to continue on with this attempt at character assassination?
Its foundations are built around Maik's "I said so" allegations and the man from Palestinian Mothers (a former member [banned for sending graphic photographs of his genitals - testicles and engorged/erect penis]) who denies sending me the photographs of his genitals.
I have no desire to ruin people's lives such as the man who sent me the photographs (he has children and a job to worry about which would all be affected) so be aware: remove the allegations lies and slander or this will become very ugly for those involved in this trashy, gossip tabloid type of "reporting".
Fourth Identity, make sure your Lawyer also knows how to respond to the photographs in there sent from YOU to others (and ALSO published publicly as YOU and on the PM site, where YOU as that identity also asked me for "friendship". I remembered the picture, and loads of other people did as well) that are someone else and you want to pass of as yourself.
Your problems with the guy have nothing to do with any of us.
You had also asked the Webmaster of Iqbal to re-admit the person… strange behaviour for someone who was getting "unsolicited" photos of erect penisis and testicles.
Anyway, that's your mess. We are more interested in your assumption of fake identity, location and other biographical info that is deceptive. I still don't believe you are a Parisienne in your early 30s as you claim. If I can't believe what you claim on something so elementary, why believe any other thing?
http://fourthreichisrael.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/i-wish-the-protection-of-a-veil/
no veil for you… you use the face of a model who you have no right to use and pass off as yours.
Deal with it.
excellent article Mary
the image of this 'Genevieve' strewing broken glass
should be passed far and wide and continuously
it's more than fourteen days since i posted my first article on Facebook
but nothing has changed in this woman's demeanour
and i would be inclined to pass her off as the first victim of her own mad sadness
but there are now more indications of something more 'organised'
whatever the outcome of our ongoing enquiries
this woman is already and without any doubt a threat to pro-Palestinian activists
and by extension the country and people who she professes to care about
On Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:36 AM, I received this e-mail from Maik Pronounced مايك: , one of many with the same tone:
maik finch
"from this date and ongoing i will have no hesitation at all in using all available methods to operate
against you
Palestine Internet Defense Force classes you as an enemy and will act at all times in accordance with that … See More
classification
including towards any group, blog or other entity in which you have a major interest or involvement
you are without any shadow of a doubt the 'lowest of the low'
never a dragon _ always a worm
your times of spreading poison and lies is drawing to a close anyway
and the world will undoubtedly be a better place without you
but until that happy day dawns i will make it my business to tread on your neck
every time the opportunity".
On Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:33 PM, I received this e-mail from Maik Finch
"get the name right if you're going to use it
Mikhail _ archangel who threw the Devil out of Heaven
(and you don't just do that with prayer btw)
the Prince of Darkness is also the Prince of Liars
and we are still at war till i say different
every hurt i cause you is a victory
until i know that everyone of your growing membership
has been clearly informed about their proximity to the enemy
(i mean the zionists you give shelter to)
until i see you giving FACTS about people to others
and ACCURATE REPORTING in your group emails
then nothing changes between us at all
didn't i tell you i'm a sadist when it comes to zionists?
until i am absolutely clear in my mind that you are not zionist
my task requires me to act to 'worst case scenario' (= you are)
so every time you hurt makes me smile
(print/publish/post this complete _ including this sentence)".
In response to Maik Finch's e-mail on Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:27 PM, Maik Finch : "ready for round two?", I replied:
Mike, this crap does not bother me, it's a waste of time. Make as many pages as you want, go ahead, focus on me instead of israeli atrocities. Put up 100 pages if you want, lie, slander, smear, I don't care nor will I base any of my decisions on these immature actions on your part that you will most likely feel embarrassed about later on down the road since hindsight is twenty – twenty.
Maik (Finch) Pronounced مايك:, works for the Jewish Internet Defense Force (JIDF), he is a double-agent, an infiltrator committing treason and betrayal to Palestinians and supporters of Palestine. His loyalty is with Israel. Check it out; it's on the Internet.
02-02-2010 09:26 AM
psy_warrior
i come here with bad news
bro _ i've just come from Facebook where i am told
that people have been saying i'm jidf
and i only wanted to tell you that i'm not
but i don't know how to prove this
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02-16-2010 12:50 AM
psy_warrior
so sorry not to reply earlier to your well wishes : /
i have disabled my accounts at Facebook
i have received so many false accusations in the last year
i simply could not deal with it any longer _ instead of working for Palestinian freedom i was spending time trying to convince people i am a good man _ why do some people feel the need to make up lies (like me stealing money from orphans in Gaza!!)
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01-22-2010 02:15 AM
psy_warrior
sadly my FB account Maik Pronounced Mike has been hacked and destroyed (***HE WAS BANNED FOR THREATENING TO STALK ME, DESTROY ME AND KILL ME, I REPORTED IT TO FACEBOOK AND THEY BANNED HIM***).
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01-22-2010 02:15 AM
psy_warrior
my new account is Maik Pronounced مايك
so if you can send me a friend request i will be very happy to recieve it ; )
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http://www.together.ps/english/members/psy_warrior-with-afaf-el-najjar.html
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Mike Finch: Jewish Internet Defense Force to: Palestine Internet Defense Force. MIKE FINCH: DOUBLE AGENT.
Busted, Mikhail Finch, Jewish Zionist infiltrator and liar.
How stupid is that to create a group with just the first name changed, but then, whoever said that Zionists are smart.
You can't even spell correctly.
You really outdo yourself there!
Of course, we'd love to see the new "you!"
now, quit spamming this site.
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