Yousef Abudayyeh – Mubarak is no Abdul Nasser and Galloway is no Salah Eddin, but ‘Israel’ is the problem.
By Yousef Abudayyeh • Jan 2nd, 2010 at 21:42 • Category: Features, Israel, Mary's Choice, Newswire, Palestine, Resistance, Somoud: Arab Voices of Resistance, Zionism
It’s a fact that most of the Arab people everywhere believe that their Arab rulers are corrupt to the core and that for them to stay in power they need to be in bed with the US, which always works against the Arab people’s aspiration for freedom and democracy. The misery and oppression that most of Arab people live under is a direct result of this unholy relationship and alliance.
It’s also a fact that the Zionist state that was implanted into the Arab World body more than 62 years ago, is fully supported by the US, the EU and many in the so-called World Community, even though this rogue body is illegal and does not abide by any of the international laws and resolutions.
I know of no Arab person, and certainly, no Arab Palestinian, who is not grateful for the support our people and struggle for liberation and freedom get from Internationals, be it vocal or material .The fact is, many Internationals were killed, wounded or jailed by the Zionist rogue state, simply because they were standing in defense of a defenseless people. These people will always be etched in our memory and history and one day soon, when Palestine is liberated from the River to the Sea, will be honored as true freedom fighters. All through our struggle, many from pretty much everywhere on this globe joined – with no preset conditions – our march for freedom and they gave it their all.
What these freedom fighters had, which many in the current supporters of Palestine lack, is the true understanding of our struggle, which is really very simple to understand: Our homeland is colonized by a foreign force, and our people due to this colonization were forced to flee their homes and homeland, and have been scattered all over the map for more than 6 decades, but for not one moment did they gave up their dream of going back to Palestine. For not one moment did they believe that they will never liberate Palestine, even though, they can understand the huge odds against them. If the true supporter of the struggle understands this, then our struggle will become that much easier.
Without understanding that ‘Israel’ is the core problem in the Arab World, and trying to fashion methods to cripple this colonizing body, all will fail. It’s crucial for all the Internationals who are working in support of Palestine to work against the Zionist colonizers of Palestine. This work should start by forcing their respective governments to stop any kind of support of ‘Israel’, and should continue by facing the Zionists. Doing it face to face in defense of the defenseless Palestinians, like many did and are still doing on the ground in colonized Palestine.
That’s why it’s hard to understand why anyone would want to send medical supplies in a break the siege effort through Egypt, and not cut through the borders from Lebanon or Jordan, (which is closer), and be in direct contact with the rogue state that is imposing the siege on the Palestinian people in the first place. Egypt and Jordan and Saudi Arabia, etc., are implicated in much more than enforcing the siege, but the address for imposing that siege and committing war crimes is ‘Israel’. Why the Internationals are not doing this is beyond anyone’s understanding. It’s the only method that will guarantee the collapse of the siege and the collapse of the state that is imposing it.
So unless these Internationals believe that they can export revolution into Egypt, so the traitor Mubarak Regime can collapse and the border between Gaza and Egypt then can be cracked open, I for one can not see the reason for not tackling the core problem, i.e., ‘Israel’ head on, unless they believe that a heart disease can be treated by putting a band aid on it.
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"That’s why it’s hard to understand why anyone would want to send medical supplies in a break the siege effort through Egypt, and not cut through the borders from Lebanon or Jordan, (which is closer), and be in direct contact with the rogue state ….Why the Internationals are not doing this is beyond anyone’s understanding."
Perhaps they want the aid to actually get into gaza, instead of having Israel confiscate it?
Abdul Nasser, like Hosni Mubarak was a western agent, who was propped-up to fight the Islamic resurgence in the name Arabism. former US Jimmy Carter confirmed that Abdul Nasser was on CIA payroll.
In fact no Arab ruler wants an independent Palestinian state whether under their-own like corrupt Fatah or Hamas.They're interested to get over with Saudi plan so they all can recognized Zionist entity as legitimate occupier of Palestine. However, Tehran has become the stumbling stone for them. Therefore, both Hamas and Islamic regime in Tehran has to be defeated. As the Lebanese Sunni Sheikh said last year: "Once Iran has been defeated, entire Arab world would be occupied by Israel".
George Galloway could be a better Muslim than all the Arab puppet rulers put together.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/hamas-being-walled-in/
There is no doubt that you are in the right. Oh wait, yes there is.
You see, two Russian made rockets were just fired into Israel. Any event like that allows Israel to point the finger and create doubt. Lots of it, and it's actually very effective. It doesn't matter if your right or not, if it's questionable, your out gunned. Period. Israel has a stronger military, and propaganda machine.
So how do you win back Palestine "from the river to the sea"? The first thing is to understand how that phrase itself arms Israel with a threat to point at. Remember how their very existence is threated? You should, they play that card constantly, and can't do it without your help. It's just something you should be aware of.
For the 'right of return' to be achieved, peace between the people is actually requires. Without it, the Zionists have you beat, and always will. The only way at this point to say "no" to a Jewish state is to say "yes" to a Jewish homeland. Then you can say "from the river to the sea" and not be a threat to their "security", "existence", etc.
If your not on top of the world, winning at ever turn, isn't it worth rethinking things from time to time? Anything you might be doing that is counterproductive to your goals is a bad idea. You need all the power you can get, and can't afford to be undermining it in any way.
One last thing. The Zionist state was pushed on you 90 years ago, not 62. The massive Jewish immigration that created Israel occurred during the British occupation after the fall of the Ottoman empire, not in 1948. That changes the equation significantly. The first occupation is important to remember, because that's when the British gave away your land to the Jewish immigrants it forced upon you.
Palestinians will return box UN thing to try to make Israel give into thier Palestinians demands. Arab leaders corrupt main reseason they support Palestinian cause to being with. If Arab leaders only use the Israel and Palestinian conlfict own gain. No arab leaders care all Palestinian died tommow.
There is an authoritarian strain of Islam that plays right into the hands of the corrupt Arab authoritarian regimes. Clearly, the Arab street is with the Palestinians, and disapproves of their own corrupt leaders' complicity in the Palestinians' horrendous plight. On the other hand, the authoritarian strain of Islam is conducive to the brutal crackdowns and police states necessary to force the Arab street to accept the fact that its rulers are in bed with the Zionists. Ironically, a strain of Islam is itself, then, a party to the demise of the Palestinian people, and to its own demise.
And top of that is the Sunni/Shia divide, and the Arab authoritarians' fear of growing Shia influence, and bigotry on certain parts of the Arab street against the Shia.
All of this plays into the hands of the Zionists, who in many ways are brutalizing the Palestinians only to a further degree than the corrupt Arab regimes are brutalizing their own people — brutality that is acceptable to a certain strain of Islam.
Far be it from me to tell anyone how to run their own religion, but it seems to me Islam would be better off rejecting brutality all the way around, which would de-legitimize both Zionist brutality and Arab authoritarian police state brutality.
Lebanon and Jordan are "closer" to Gaza than Egypt? Perhaps the author needs to invest in a simple map!
Palestinans should thank God for the George Galloways of this sick world! Those activisits place their own lives in jeopardy, take the horrendous critizm of what they are doing back home. It is these activists that have kep the Palestinan Holocaust alive. They are the ones getting messages passed the corporate owned zionist press worldwide. It seems to me Islam would be better served to reign in their "evangelical Shia", as no secular arab wants Sharia law imposed on them in 2000's.
Its all about the money game. Egypt does the bidding of the US/UK/Israel because Egypy is dependent on that foreign cash to keep himself in power. There are 1.6 billion muslims in the world. Surely they can attack the extremists in their faith, and pull together those who want peace and justice. Take a lesson from Ghandi!
The brutality we americans take for siding with Palestinans is unbelievable. We are called anti semitic, our words posted on google so the zionists can attack us in our homes. But still we continue on because we know what is just and right. The problem is with the newspapers and media owned by the zionists and supported by Jews in America and europe who dont have a clue what the difference between zionism and judaisam is all about.
I understand your thoughts about the Convoy going through Jordan, but like another stated, the "Israelies would confiscate all of it. It must be done through Egypt to set a precedent for future shipments and reign in the dictator Mubarek. Palestinans are under the control of Abbas the traitor who has caused more harm to the Palestinan cause. He wants power, he will throw Palestinans under the bus to keep it. He is the problem as much as Mubarek. The Sauds are another problem. These freaks are under the control of DC as much as any group. They would have the west bomb the hell out of Yemen, their leaders actually wanted to nuke Yemen. There are problems on ALL sides. Its time the people of the world put down their Bibles, Torahs and Korans and start working on diplomatic, peaceful, just methods to counter balance the zionist agenda….which is all the middle east under their control….The Greater Israel.
You state on comments to be considered not to use the word zionist or zionist propaganda or Judaism, how is it possible to address the entire question without the use of those terms. Hypocrits.
My interest in what euoro-asians with the cult with much and essential help from christian lands r doing to palestinians and later leabanese, syrians, and iraqis, is based on a principle.
This interest does not hinge on knowing what pal'ns say or do.
MY involvement in war protests and writing, rests solely on the apodictic [of necessary-desirable truth] tenet that no people have a right to attack another people under any known circumstance.
Which, of course, obviates collective punishment.
A leadeship that commits crimes against own and foreign people cld be hunted, killed, or arrested if not facing an international court. It wld be better if ICC wld [if it not be controled or ignored by US, et al] to issue warrants for the arrest of alleged criminals.
In case of saddam and co., war cld have been avoided by simply world promising him to be hunted like a dog is he wld not face courts. Natch, US&co., cld not afford to allow sanity to prevail.
The cosa nostra wanted land. Going after only those responsible for iraqi crimes against kurds, shias accomplishes nothing for the mafioso gang.
And not mention the fact that almost all US, israeli, russian, UK, et al leaders might also be hunted like dogs or wld have to anser the charges against them in a court of law.
Truman, under this rule of law and sanity, wld be postdeath prosecuted for inciniration of japanese or even germans.
Still, i am very happy to hear that pal'ns want their land back; it seems by any means. Yes by any means, i agree. I also hope and expect that s[h]emites [christians, mosheists, and moslems] now living in expalestine, wld live in a harmony as always before invasion by euros.
For a century or lngr, white 'jews' and white euros have strived to disrupt-usurp life in palestine and to prevent creation of a solely or largely shemitic country; while at the same time largely living as always before in rich lands. tnx
I as a native american woman, no how the "Blue Coats ride". England, Israel and the US are still plotting, planning with their "blue coats" to wipe out every Palestinan just as they did to native americans. The world is awakening to who the terrorists really are. England has for centuries been a terrorist nation. The fact that Gordon Brown that bloke and Obama are working together against Yemen, while Sarkozy the french zionist refuses to send troops to Afganistan is very telling. As an american citizen, we are sick and tired of the US being the ones who shed our blood and treasure, while Europe sits passively back and refuses to engage the hypocrits in America or Israel.
In America, we have no jobs, our homes foreclosed, we send trillions overseas to nations with puppet dictators who then work against their own people. There is a war mentality on this planet, while the planet is being devoured by the Bilderbergs. Jesse Ventura's "conspiracy theories" program last week, informed the world who controls us all. The Bilderbergs. They want to reduce the earths population down to 500 million for the elites and the slaves who will serve them. We are caught up in a paradigm unparaelled in human history. The fat cats of this planet are exploiting everyone with weapons of mass destruction (terrorism on a large scale), while demonizing muslims, castigating them into "all muslims must be feared, all muslims are terrorists". I think we know who the real terrorists are…they reside in DC, London, and Telaviv.
spktruth: "It seems to me Islam would be better served to reign in their "evangelical Shia", as no secular arab wants Sharia law imposed on them in 2000's."
Evangelizing would never be a problem anywhere if we all agreed to conduct our civil affairs as libertarians. It's the civil authoritarians and totalitarians who are the problem, be they Marxist, Communist, Zionist, Sharia, Neocon/Neoliberal, Statist…
The marketplace of ideas is non-threatening, and actually socially healthy, until some control freak comes along and tries to put the force of law behind their personal code.
Someone coming to your door and trying to unforcefully proselytize their beliefs, ethics and morals, that's a good thing, so long as we also have the right to reject them.
Interesting, the Christians proselytize their beliefs all over the world. According to the Koran it is forbidden to do so. I dont want anyone coming to my door to discuss religion of any kind. Its a very personal matter between me and my God. I believe most people believe that is the case. In the US we have a separation of church and state. It was done that way consitutionally because religion was forced down peoples throats. If you look at Jefferson, Franklin et al…they were all Dieists. But the evangelicals that have attempted to take over america, believe this is a christian nation…absolutly untrue. If I want to worship a rock its my business. Look at all the christian missionaries who have gone to the deepest, darkest, poorest nations of the world. Here is our Bible, you become Christian and I will give you bread and water. Once the Bibles go in, the corporations follow to take the resources. Zionism is not even a religiion. Its a philosphy that is opposite Judasim. Google: Bernard Freedman a jew who told the whole truth about how zionism got started in Europe and how the zionists actually worked with germans against those jews who refused zionism over their religion. Hertzel was a commie as were most jews in europe in the 20th century. He brought that philosphy to the Jews. Thank God we have Jews around the world throwing off the zionists and working with good citizens to bring about peace and freedom. There will never be peace in the middle east until Palestine is a full state with Jerusalem as its capital.
spktruth: "I dont want anyone coming to my door to discuss religion of any kind. Its a very personal matter between me and my God"
Fair enough. Slam the door in their face.
I don't want any Marxists, Commies, Fascists, socialists, statists, Zionists, Shariasts, Democrats or Republicans (all of which have committed the acts you attribute to the Christians, and worse) telling me how to run my life either, or taking my money and using it to finance their cronies and enforce and subsidize their own creeds, codes, and "morality."
As I said, if we all agreed to conduct our civil affairs as libertarians…then there will be peace.
"Palestinans should thank God for the George Galloways of this sick world!" — spktruth
and we do. please be sure that the author of this misguided article speaks for anyone besides himself. and i know that at least one of the organizations that he affiliates himself with is a huge supporter of galloway's viva palestina campaign.
as for the blog code listed here, i think you misunderstood. they are rejecting "zionist propaganda", not the words "zionist" or "propaganda." also rejecting name-calling against religions, not the names of the religions!
speaking of religions, it is not a service to the cause to turn the discussion about justice for the palestinian people into a discussion about religion. it is not about religion, and shifting the discussion to one about religion only detracts from the real issue!!!
my salutations to the native american movement (and i speak for all palestinians on this!).
In my most humble opinion, religions and their zealots on all sides are to blame. Its not about turning the subject to religion, I am pointing out that zionism is not a religion by a philosphy that is causing havoc around the world. Its not thing for the uneducated to speak about muslims as all should be watched and all possibly could be terrorists, while the zionists are wreaking havoc everywhere they go, same as the evangelical christians who believe literally in the first testament. We know its really not about religion, but religion is used to turn the masses against looking deeper into the subject. i.e. most americans believe that Israel owns all of palestine and that palestinans somehow moved there and took what belong to the Israelies. We all know there was no Israel, before 1948, that the brits drew a line in the sand and declared this, Israel. We also know that zionists have never been satisfied with the territory they were given, and have always worked to steal more and more.. look at a map of 1948 and look at it today? The problem is that at least in the US, this subject is not to be spoken about. If you do, as I have done repeatedly you are automatically called an anti semite and the conversation shuts down. This is the problem for many peoples, they are not allowed to even discuss the topic. I was shocked in a christian church one day, when a woman who was praying, actually prayed out loud that "all palestinans should be nuked so the middle east would be peaceful under the Israelies. This is the lack of knowledge and education that abounds.
"all palestinans should be nuked so the middle east would be peaceful under the Israelies."
LOL!!! i know its not so funny, but i find myself really laughing. really amazing. but yes, i agree with you, thats a major problem, that religion is used for political agendas. thanks for clarifying.
(oh and a typo in my post above.. i meant the author speaks for NO ONE besides himself!)
HEZ: "speaking of religions, it is not a service to the cause to turn the discussion about justice for the palestinian people into a discussion about religion. it is not about religion, and shifting the discussion to one about religion only detracts from the real issue!!!"
Dream on. Existing in a wider territory of systems that conflate religion and civil law, be it Islamism, Sharia, or Zionism, means the plight of the Palestinians is ipso-facto conflated with religion. The Palestinians do not exist in a vacuum. In fact, that's a big part of the problem. They exist smack dab in the middle of ruthlessly contending civil-religion systems perpetually at one another's throats.
The Palestinians and their remaining land have become the scraps being fought over by the Islamists, Zionists, and corrupt Arab authoritarian Sunnis. That's one reason they're no longer treated as human beings. And they certainly won’t be saved until all sides start viewing them as human beings instead of trophies, pawns, or trading fodder to advance their own civil-religion agenda.
chris; of course these are major influences and factors. my point was simply not to turn the discussion about human rights into a discussion about religion.
One cannot speak about "religions". There just isn't any. There is only cults. Or to be more accurate-adequate, people who s'mwhen-s'mwhere-s'mhow [un]wittigly put cart before horse or acquired 'knowledge' a priori instead a posteriori.
A person who first sees, tastes, hears, touches, smells and then concludes is unlilke a person who first concludes [believes] without first using a single sense.
The first gathers knowledge, the second murders, condemns, promises, commands.
People have actually thought that tomato was poisonous. People still think [conclude] there are angels, gods, spirits, souls. Or that snakes were oily. Some women were witches to be burned because that was the way to kill the evil and devil in her."
Just two centuries ago some people thought cancer was punishment from god. Or that homosexuals are evil. And had been punished by death not by gods but by people who concluded that god exists adn even knew what gods are saying.
Every cult i know of always sides with feudal lords, warlords, and plutocrats just ab everywhere. Go figure. tnx
"chris; of course these are major influences and factors. my point was simply not to turn the discussion about human rights into a discussion about religion."
I agree, injecting religion is not productive. But you seem to believe it would be nice if only supporters of the abstract concept of "human rights" who had no further ulterior motives came to the cause, but there are plenty of groups who have ulterior motives lining up on behalf of Zionism (from Neocon/Neoliberal imperialists to Christian Zionists) and the Zionists take what they can from all of them. I think the Palestinians should enthusiastically take help from whatever quarters they can get it, as the Zionists do, but yes!, put their own internal political and religious differences aside until they have secured their own human rights.
The Fatah/Hamas divide, for example, is incredibly short-sighted and self-destructive.
for sure the fatah/hamas divide is national suicide. the majority of palestinians are disgusted by it and keep calling for national unity.
There is a email out stating that the crotch bombers father "the BANKER" from Nigeria, is not in fact a banker. He is in the arms business in Nigeria, and is in daily contact with the Mossad. The email states this guy a muslim, was really in cohoots with Dick Cheney and two of the Gitmo detainees Bush/Cheney let go (without a military trial or any trial), are now behind the Yemen Alciaduh!
Captain Eric May former intell operations guy says it was a false flag mossad black ops. Also claims that Jane Harmon and Nancy Pelosi along with Rahm Emannuel and Clinton are under investigation for their associations with AIPAC. Like the USS Cole which was blamed on muslims, american navy officers and regular soldiers have been saying for decades it was the Mossad who attacked them. Every once in awhile one of these sailors calls in and says, "dont cut me off, I want the world to know it was Israel who attacked the USS Cole, and we on board are forbidden to discuss it". Every heard of these false flag black ops.
What I should have done is putting it in black and white in the first place,so those of you who do not want to understand have no way out ,but here it is .
When Viva Palestina got into Lebanon and then into Jordan ,it was very close to colonized Palestine ,and since the leadership of Viva Plaestina knew off hand and for more than a month in advance and in writing that the Mubarak regime is not going to let them go to Gaza through Cairo ,and since the West in an enabler of the siege and the zionist colonizers are the enforcer of the siege on our people and the main purpose of this convoy is to break the siege , so why not go head-on against the zionists and drive through colonized Palestine to Gaza .At least the convoy could have saved $500,000 ,the amount it said its going to cost to go back from Jordan to Syria and take a ferry to Alariesh.There should be a reason why the leadership are doing this .And the $500,000.00 that is going to waste now could have been used to buy pencils so the Palestinian kids can draw maps of the region with straight lines that goes from Beirut to Gaza and from Aqaba to Gaza and from Aqaba to Cairo and from Cairo to Gaza and distribute to all to see.
Mr. Abudayyeh; its ironic that you accuse others of not wanting to understand, when its clear that you want to criticize the Viva Palestina campaign no matter what. Don't you think your question of "why not go head-on against the zionists and drive through colonized Palestine to Gaza" is simplistic? First of all, assuming that they managed to get reach the Jordanian side of the border (of course, the Jordanians wouldn't allow it), Israel obviously wouldn't let them cross it! Egypt, on the other hand, has budged on previous occasions even after indicating it would not allow such a thing. And even without that history, there really is no comparison between the chances of getting to Gaza via Egypt vs. via Jordan and across Israel. Surely you can't be serious.
Its so easy for one to sit here and criticize other people's noble efforts, that they went through enormous personal sacrifices to do. If its so easy to "go head-on against the zionists" why don't you do it? Please let me know when you do; I will cheer you on and even send you a donation to help with it.
Mr.El -Zabri , off course I am serious
The US , the EU and their support of the zionist colonizers of Palestine is the reason the siege is continuing ,and for anyone who truly wants to break the siege ,going directly against the zionists is the way to achieve that .This is what a solidarity movement would do.You can not completly ignore the cause of the siege and raise hell because Mubarak is not letting do what you want.The main closure is the one the zionists are enforcing .Palestinians ,especially those who live in the diaspara,which I is one of them , face the zionist head-on more than you think,and many get jailed ,denied or loss their lives fighting the colonizers. You know this for sure .
As for Viva Palestina ,you and all need to know ,that all Palestinians appreciate the participants effort in any action that will ease the horrible sitution our people live under and raise their plight ,it's the leadership that we critize and we do this because of what they do.There's no transperncy none what so ever .They waste the funds collected for medical supplies on buying new vehicles ,as in VP US or on changing routes of convoy like what is happing now .They keep the participant in the dark ,even though ,its these brave participants who are the heros and if they knew will not allow them waste their time ,donotions and effort isn such a way..
You want the Viva campaign to go head to head agains the zionists? Do you want an all out slaughter? The zionists will never permit any precedent of permitting international activists and their supplies anywhere near Gaza. Remember the last time, when they shot at the boat, entered the boat and put Cynthia McKinney and others in Zionist jails? We need the UN to send forces into the border areas, and demand Israel go back to the 67 borders! The UN, the US/UK are continuing to permit the zionists to kill, slaughter, maim and starve the Palestinans. With worldwide corporate media keeping all these facts censored the majority of people (at least in the US) are not even aware of the Viva campaign.
Galloway is a smart man, I am sure he has his reasons for what they are doing….AT The Scene of the crime!
Haithem,
Yes, PA-hamas rift is a minus. Having the endgoal in mind, it wld be better for pal'n people to have one leadership and cooperating with West. Power is in the West. And West headed by US will decide the fate of expalestine.
Israelis and pal'ns will have no say in statemaking.
The present rift in the leadership is of no tactical or strategic value. What is of great value is that most pal'ns want their land back. I also understand that PA cannot sign any agreement with israelis until pal'ns ok it in a vote! So, u got people, u got time! tnx
"it wld be better for pal'n people to have one leadership and cooperating with West"
That statement takes the cake concerning what the Palestinians should do! If I am reading the entire comment correctly which goes on to state, "Israelis and pal'ns will have no say in statemaking"
EXCUSE me, but the Palestinian RIGHTFUL struggle does not nor ever SHOULD lie in the "power of the West"!
It lies in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and in FIRM international law which the "West" continues to violate world wide not only in their support of Israel's ILLEGAL actions but in Iraq, Afghanistan, mounting in Yemen, support of Israel's BRUTAL attack on Lebanon, support of puppet regimes throughout the Middle East, Latin America and Africa. There is no end to the list! Of COURSE Israel could not get away with what they do if it were not for the United States, but it's the United States who is undermining international law and the UDHR! You want the Palestinians to unite under one leadership and "cooperate with the West"?
Perhaps that wouldn't be such a bad idea if the "West" were the upholder of human rights which they most certainly have NOT been except when it's a photo op or a chance for their military industrial complex to make money and their business interests to rape "third-world" nations.
No, sorry, until the "West" starts practicing what they preach, until they conduct THEMSELVES in lawful manner, this is just a preposterous suggestion.
Palestine's struggle is THEIRS and it is their RIGHTFUL and JUST struggle.
thank you, robin, i couldn't have said it better myself :)
this is the problem with the corrupt and illegitimate p.a. (a bastard child of oslo). their existence is based on the goodwill of the west, and they depend on it and follow its orders and try to justify to their people with the same reasoning put forth by bozh.
You want the "west" to settle this debacle. My God the West created it in 1948. The zionists had their choice of a "homeland", they were offered what is Uganda, and some other countries in north africa. They refused…they wanted Palestine. Most of these Askanazi Jews never stepped foot in the Holy Land, but came from Kzaria. They were war like there too, fought with all their neighbors until they were sent packing and scattered all over Europe. A zionist plot with the Brits was to get the US (who were atradiing partner with germany) in WW1. The zionists told the Brits they could get the US to go to war with Germany IF they would get Palestine at the end of the War. When the German people discovered their country had been tricked, that the zionists went worlwide and told everyone to stop trading with Germany, thereby ruining their economy, thats when the Germans went ape. No one wanted the Zionists (who were commies after the War). Not England or the US! So the Brits carved out what was Palestine a piece of territory and said, "this is for the jews". Forget that there were indigenous peoples their for centuries. The Zionists were the worst of terrorists during that period and until today. They have never been satisfied with the territorty they were given, and continued for 60 years to steal, maim, kill, slaughter, starve and take more and more territory in violations of hundreds of UN mandates and resolutions. ONLY THE US STANDS WITH ISRAL..so we have the biggest super power in the world the US with weapons of mass destruction, arming the most aggressive, lawless people on the planet the zionists and the rest is history. Literally no US president has been able to turn away from Israel. If they do they will be assassinated. AIPAC runs this country, the WH, the Senate and the Congress. REad the book, "they dare speak out" and see what happens if you want to take on zionism, and Israels deadly policies. You will loose your election because AIPAC will spend millions to get a candidate who will openly support Israel….thats the game being played today. ONLY after the people of the world become educated on the history of Israel will the people stop voting for supporters of zionism. Even Jews in Israel around the world who understand, who support peace and are doing everything they can….are being called horrible names and called anti semites…these are Jews. Groups like Peace Now, J Street and others are doing what they can….but AIPAC is an international terror/blackmail group that will do everything in their power to keep the status quo.
Robin,
I am one of the few if any of the observers that urges pashtuns, iraqis, and pal'ns to obey west. In case of pashtuns, military resistance against West, which appears thousands-fold stronger econo-military-diplomatic side than all pashtuns put together.
Pashutns cannot succeed. I have stated numerous times that just like partisans of greece, albania, and yugoslavia had been legally and morally obligated to resist their respective occcupatiuon by fascist iatl and nazi germany so do pal'ns, iraqis, and pashtuns are also.
However, partisans of italy, norway and elsewhere had more than an equal chance to succed as to fail. US, Russia, and UK were on their side and helping them with arms.
The question that often cropped up in my mind was, Do pashtuns, pal'ns, sunnis of iraq have sliver of a chance in repeling West?
I think staying alive; nourishing ur children; biding time is a better way to go. And especially in view that pal'ns only have people and time. They seem not have even most arab lands; or rather their, feudal gov'ts, on their side.
Let us note please that in ?all arab lands feudal lords and warlords- just like in the West- rule,and with an iron grip.
The fascist are uniting like never before. Getting stronger and stronger; more vicious.
The only certainty is change. Presently, it appears to me that the s[h]emitic peoples with three faiths are used and not just pal'ns. Does one think that even white jews let alone other whites cares even a bit ab the fate of these dark-skinned people with a, to them, odious faiths?
?All the white 'jews' are in diaspora making lotsof money out of the working class; probably much of it by cheating! R they not also using the hated, by them, darkies just to obtain a feelgood thing?
And please don't stifle free speech; let it freely flow. If don't like what people say, do not label even what they say; instead juxtapoes own ifeas facts, conclusions wishes.
I have noted that some people want to or do command others not say some things. Please no commands, demands, accusatiuons.
Person who does that exhibits dictatorial tendencies! tnx
There are certainly more muslims, arabs in the world than christians or zionists. The christians and zionists have all the weapons of mass destruction. That didnt stop Ghandi now did it.! Giving in to fascism, becoming slaves to it, will never be the solution. The solution lies with the hearts and minds of people who cry out for justice and peace. Wanta change things….join a group that is actively involved in educating those who are dumbed down and educated. As a native american woman, I can guarantee you if the natives new then what we new today…we would have let the european monsters starve to death.
bozh, how am I stifling free speech? My voice is not the one telling the Palestinians what to do, yours is. My voice when I use it is to say that this struggle belongs to PALESTINE, it is THEIRS. My voice as an American is to realize and voice the injustices done by my own government when it comes to Palestine since MY country has perpetrated so many injustices towards the Palestinians in their unbridled support of Israel (um lets see, since WAY back….supporting the Balfour Declaration for one-as in Justice Brandeis) Oh no bozh, you find me other Americans who realize that this struggle is the LEGITIMATE struggle of Palestine telling them to put their trust in the power of the West after what the WEST has done to them and I'll eat my TEN hats! Palestinians may at some time indeed put their trust in the West, but let's all pray to God that day is when the West becomes TRUSTWORTHY. I'm not holding my breath on that time coming any time soon-since the "WEST" consists of our entire government which certainly in no way shape or form is going to do an about face and recognize the LEGITIMATE rights of the Palestinian people. Hell find me all those wonderful people in Congress that are going to do an about face and I'll say GO FOR IT Palestine, here's your chance, all these years of passing law after law, appropriating funds after funds to Israel, OOH,
they love you now! They ALL think your children "deserve to be nourished. Yep, in fact they are every last one of them baking cookies to send you right now. MALARKY! Even if that lasted for a MINUTE it would be the next minute that it all changed. You tell the Palestinians there is time, yes INDEED there is, and not one second of it should be spent in putting faith in anyone else but themselves and those who are willing to beat down the doors of the "West" to at the minimal NEUTRALIZE them. The Palestinian struggle will and SHOULD be fought before the eyes of the world, not sold out to the very entity which has supported the atrocities against them UNTIL the day comes, if ever, that the American people in STRENGTH stand up for their rights. The struggle belongs to PALESTINE and I find it utterly condescending for you to suggest otherwise.
The Palestinan cause is the cause of all human beings who believe in right and justice! We are our brothers keeper, and our brothers are being slaughtered, starved and living out in the cold while the zionists have turned off their water, their electric, sewage running freely in the streets of Gaza. Abbas is a traitor to the Palestinans. His power and control are more important than that of his people. He is a threat to the Palestinans and was/is willing to turn over his own to the zionists because they won't follow him. Follow him where, to their deaths? This struggle is the struggle for truth. Educating the uneducated, delivering truth and speaking that truth regardless of whether the zionists call you an anti semite. That dog no longer hunts. Last years Operation Castlead woke up the world…those who were able to get information on the internet…cuz we all know every damn paper in the US, every media outlet censored all the news. Even when McKinney and the others were arrested…it was not in our papers. A former Congresswoman can be put in prison and the US government wont even speak about it? Give us a break, with the West doing anything. Anyone ever wonder why we have so many Israelies in our federal government. Are we the United States of Israel? Is Israel our 51st state? Why is it that no group in the world can hold dual citizenship but the Israelies. How can they vote in our elections when they live/work and reside in a foreign nation. There is an unknown relationship between the US and Israel….if you are a true american patriot you should be asking yourself, why a foreign government has so much influence over the domestic and foreign policy of the USA.
spktruth, in fairness, the information you gave concerning US duel citizenship is not accurate.
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html
#17 concerns an American duel citizen living abroad and voting. The rest of the info there is pertinent as well.
The US allows duel citizenship with most countries as far as I am aware. My own daughter is a duel citizen, and it is not of Israel I assure you.
robin, dear,
Advising people what to do or what not to do is not TELLING [do u mean commanding them ?]To me saying what people ought to do, is a desirable trait.
I am afraid robin when one attacks what one says [and whatever it may be: true, false, brazen lie, traducement, advice] one [un]wittingly at least discourages or attmepts to discourage-stifle-ban-censor free speech.
The words such as "I demand" of or " i command" pal'ns to do this or that does not appear in my post. In folk usage, telling s'mone to do s'mthing, has a ring of a demand or command; depending on circumstance and tone of voice.
I did not say, I am TELLING pal'ns ….
Recall, please that i used the word "better" and not best to write to pal'ns ab their predicament. The word "best" indicates only one solution is available and the word "better" indicates that there may more ways to skin a cat.
That's why chose the word "better".
Recall the sit'n for czechs in '41-45 period. They did not resist their occcupation by violence. They chose not to and fared much better than poles, serbs, et al. However, sit'n for pal'ns appear thousands-fold worse than for czhechs.
So what can pal'ns do?
What cld have indigenes of americas have done? Have they chosen the worst way to deal with 'settlers'?
Of course one can always try a better [or seemingly a better way] way and after time change the tactic when there appears even a better way.
I do remember strugling and recoiling when i used the word "obey". But i let it stay;thinking, what else can a prisoner do but be a nice fella!
Many times i have said that it is up to pal'ns to decide own fate. I don't see what other tools pal'ns have other than people determined to return to their land time. If u have an advice for them, we'd love to read it!
Recall, that even arafat had said, Look we r not stupid! On another occasion, he said, We have people! Pal'ns r not stupid [am not imputing that u r saying this].
Thus, they welcome, i believe, an advice and can take it under advisement. I bet they can deal even with any demand or command.
Actually, i believe that at least PA knows s'mthing i don't. And i trust they r not traitors. Yet they coperate or obey nato/us/isr!
To repeat, i protest warfare against pal'ns on solid grounds: on the principle that no people have the right to attack another people under any known circumstance. This protest does not hinge on how israeli or pal'ns behave. tnx
Bozh, I think the ball is in your court to clarify what you meant by "cooperating with the West" Furthermore you need to explain what you mean by the "Palestinians will have no say in their state making" and then sell it to THEM. I would no more want my country to be in control of the Palestinian cause other than to FIRST stop all aid to Israel which has broken every international law there is. Your plan assumes US hegemony over the situation which makes my skin crawl because that is defacto what we have now, without US support Israel could not do what they do.
robin, dear,
Good questions by u. The word cooperating does need further clarification. Sorry, i can't proffer an elucidation of what it means or involves. Yes, inded, what is it that they do wit us/irs/nato.
Only a PA member can know what PA does.
As for palestinian not having a say in establishment of one or two states, i think that even most israelis have no say in statemaking. Does a century of conflict btw euro-asians and later a semitic people against another semitic people with neither having a de facto nor de jure country, prove [not only show, but prove] that some people are in control but not the s[h]emites; i.e., people who live in expalestine.
By the way, is not isr a near-total dependency on the West? Cld it make a spoon if left to own devices? Who actually set up or helped set up israel sans borders or ever expanding borders?
Of course, US/West have never told us why they support a semitic people with talmudic-mosheic cult agianst anothe semitic people with islamic cult.
The gangsters know. That's all u ever had in america: a rule by gangsters. We can only guess. May be US wanted to get all arab lands onside. And US had don eit. After all, ?all arab lands were and r ruled by gangsters behaving exactly the same om moral level like a biker, street, of mafia gang.
So, fascist uniting with fascist and in order to maintain fascist rule world-wide. And pal`ns? Yes what ab pal`ns?
It is like worring ab basque, lapps, chechens, uighurs, houthis, et al?
Does US and nato tremble in fear of pal`ns? And waging 5 more wars to boot. tnx
Am I taking it that instead of stating what "cooperation" with the West means you are now saying that it is the PA which will define "cooperation with the West"?
You wrote: "Does a century of conflict btw euro-asians and later a semitic people against another semitic people with neither having a de facto nor de jure country, prove [not only show, but prove] that some people are in control but not the s[h]emites; i.e., people who live in expalestine"
Question: and just who are those people in control of this situation if not done so at the bidding of the Zionists?Think of a drug addict bozh. Who is in control? His addiction or the dealer? Or is the addict himself in control should he choose to overcome his addiction?
"By the way, is not isr a near-total dependency on the West? Cld it make a spoon if left to own devices?
Answer: Yes, they could make a spoon, In fact I would highly suggest they take up more spoon making rather than have their eyes on expansion into what they call Judea/Samaria while continuing the longest occupation in current history.
"Who actually set up or helped set up israel sans borders or ever expanding borders?"
Answer: that would be Israel itself who has refused to define it's borders and continues to build settlements and the wall of shame which they have erected in their continued efforts to place "facts on the ground" which impedes any possible contiguous and viable Palestinian state SHOULD the Palestinians by vote decide that acceptance of the two-state solution is THEIR choice.
"Of course, US/West have never told us why they support a semitic people with talmudic-mosheic cult agianst anothe semitic people with islamic cult."
Answer: yes they told you why. Zionism and those who for whatever reason support it. Problem is the answer undermines the LEGITIMATE inhabitants of Israel/Palestine who have made this their home for eons. Furthermore, Zionism did not target "Muslims" it targeted ANYONE including Christians who were not Jewish. Funny how the US has civil rights laws forbidding such actions in their own land but it's ok for Israel. Why? Because of a myriad of reasons why people support Zionism, ALL which are RACIST.
I suggest everyone read the book "Palestine Documents" by Zafarul Islam Khan. Heavy reading, all documents, take notes. I fully admit I have not read the entire book, but if one wants to know exactly how we got to where we are now (the FACTS) there are your answers. The early reading of the subterfuge against the Arabs is TELLING.
Latest update from a Viva Palestine member:
"My last message to all of you was that the Viva Palestina convoy members have arrived into Al-Arish and were just hours away from breaking the siege of Gaza. Now, I report to you that in the past hour 157 Viva Palestina convoy members passports were taken away at Al-Arish airport by the Egyptian authorities. The Egyptians also removed the passport’s of British MP George Galloway and convoy leader Kevin Ovenden.
All passports were stamped in on entry but also received an exit stamp too. The Egyptian’s wanted 157 convoy members to drive tonight to Gaza and forget about the other 400 Viva Palestina volunteers that were yet to fly into Al-Arish tonight.
Egyptian authorities say that the 400 volunteers would not be allowed entry! Convoy members started a sit down riot and refused to move or leave without their fellow convoy Brothers and Sisters!"
Here's an action alert asking people to call the Egyptian embassies and consulates to complain. They need to hear from us! Their phones should be ringing off the hook and their work disrupted! Otherwise they'll think nobody cares, and they can do as they please.
http://palestineconference.org/wp/2009/12/29/stop-the-wall-of-shame/
Please call and spread the word, urgently!
Hey Haitham:
http://readingpsc.org.uk/convoy/vp/
I am now pleased to say that all passports have been returned back to their rightful owners and exit stamps have been removed – We won that battle! – Now convoy members are scouting for hotels for tonight and will return tomorrow to be reunited with all convoy members, before moving on, to pick up their vehicles and head for their final destination, Gaza!
robin, zionists left on own cld have never stolen palestine. If mandate palestine had been given to egypt or another arab land even immigration of 'jews', who were not in any danger whatever in europe after the WW2 wld have never happened.
I think that the claim that 'zionists' [means they have no connection whatever with zion, save cult] control US is false.
There r at least 30mn rabid americans- the one's that shout USAUSAUSA- who wld start killing 'jews' if they even suspected that these russians and other e. europeans are stealing their beloved, the greatest, the best country in the world.
And if they r controling US to a great degree, then it is constitutionally ok or even a demand that people who have money rule USA. Money rules US.
So everything is running as jefferson, adams, hamilton, washington had planned. Governance of US rest solely on constitution.
Of course, US constitution is as dead as a door nail, until it's interpreted by supreme court. And how is it interpreted?
Always as a presdident wants it interpreted. Has any prez been ever wrong dealing with indians, koreans, vietnamese, iraqis, pal'ns, or allowing torture? NO!
In fact, a prez must defend 'US interests'. As determined by the interpreters! Have u ever heard of a supreme court justice criticising any US war?
Weren't each a defensive war? By now ab 180 major and ninor wars! In fact each US war had been benevolent; in defense of US interests, democracy, freedoms, etc.
Most US wars were waged long before 'jews' began to have much influence on US foreign affairs. I do not think that US foreign policy had ever changed. True, tactics may change but US telos never ever will unless the world gangs up on it.
In any case no prez, pol, judge, msm columnist, cia agent, general , appears, as far as i know, even a tad worried about the 'jews'. tnx
Robin dear,
No, i did not say that only PA will define its relationship with the west. I said that only the PA knows what is going on btwn west and PA. I have not even used the word "define" [do u mean explain?]. I do not know that they haven't told their own people what's it all about? Is PA reporting to their people truthfully all the dealings with US, nato lands, or israel?
In other words is there a transparency. I self know nothing about it! tnx
bozh,
The worst elements of organized Jewry have had long and successful careers in ethnic racketeering, manipulation, and co-opting others' resources to get what they want. This dates back to Marxist Jews who instigated the Communist coup by convincing others they were all about “progress“ and "social justice," and then turning the entire country into their own, personal playground/killing fields. When that racket played itself out, Judeofascism moved on to Palestine and America, where it’s gone about doing the same thing — colonizing and co-opting the resources of others under this pretext or that in order to attain its goals. This is its modus-operandi.
There is nothing incredible about believing that the various Israel lobbies (Judeofascist cells) around the world were fully capable of marshalling the resources to take Palestine, the same way Marxist Judeofascists marshaled the resources to take Russia (and murder and enslave millions of white Christians).
None of this is to say they haven't had totalitarian Gentile collaborators and appeasers that have helped and enabled them, but this is a highly disciplined, highly organized, extremely capable network that has perfected its racketeering to a "T." Don't underestimate what it is capable of, even if it was working totally alone. Even plenty of Jews have been totally blinkered by it.
There are many ways the Palestinians could pressure Israel to relinquish the West bank & allow a viable Palestinian state, not bits & pieces of land unconnected together, the most effective way is a 3rd Intifada, this time a do or die resistance movement that resists PA as well as Israel, the only language Israel understand is this, it pushes their resources to the limit, keeps the Army on Alert, strains their economy, and lets them seriously consider the benefits of making peace with Palestinians, I am one of the realist Palestinians who know the reality or lack there of asking for a free Palestine from (river to Sea) the facts on the ground makes this an impossible dream but by all internationally recognized decrees & resolutions after 1967 war we Palestinians can & will always demand our own independent sovereign country in ALL THE WEST BANK & GAZA with a free passage between & EAST Jerusalem as our Capital, this state should allow any Palestinian from around the world to return to his homeland, Anything less is hog wash, if Israel ever wants Peace which I seriously doubt at present Government set up, they must give the Palestinians their right to self Government, or as Americans say: Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness, we deserve this just as South Africans, Afghanis, Iraqis, Native Americans and other nations of this world, we Palestinians are sick & tired of Resolutions, Decrees, conferences, summits, Tenets, condemnations or UN reports, a 3rd intifada is not a call for Jewish blood, it is a call to all Palestinians to disobey, disrupt and resist the Israeli way of life, making mothers & fathers of every Israeli soldier fear for the life of their son/daughter just as the Palestinian parents fear, No one can bring justice to Palestinians except the Palestinians themselves.
Chris,
At this time, i'd like to only make one conclusion ab the multi-ethnicity with the cult: the richest among them appear strongly asocialistic.
I can't go into alleged slaughters of people in USSR. Nor to what degree 'jews' have helped establish USSR or were involved in internecine battles that raged btwn fascists and socialist-communist.
I prefer to wait for some honest and serious work by USSR historians on the post17 USSR history. Definately, i spurn anything west has to say ab it.
AS u know, torah teaches-commands hebrews to be lenders and not borrowers; to have servants and not serve others; that they are light onto us.
It seems, then, that many 'jews' shunned work; turning into money lenders. Many became rich. Nobody can get rich tilling, fishing, working, etc.
Were 'jews' cheating? Are they cheating now? We need to study this! One cld conclude with clear conscious that all aghas, deys, amirs, ceos, lords, princes, earls, dukes, kings, barons, counts, sharehoders, boyars, plemstvo r cheating!
And were cheating even 10yrs ago! So, it is the same mess now or then!
There may be only one way out of this mess: vote for a socialist party!
"There may be only one way out of this mess: vote for a socialist party!"
Saddam's Ba'ath Party was socialist. So was Arafat's PLO. So were the Obama Democrats. Look at them all now.
Nizam, well said! Except that the right of return is also a basic and inalienable human right, so I'm not sure if thats also part of what you describe as an impossible dream.. nevertheless, we have to demand it and insist on it.
@ chris: Arafat/PLO and Obama/Democrats were/are socialists!?!? LOL!! Clearly, you don't know what socialism is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
In any case, I think the Green Party is the key to a peaceful foreign policy and social justice here in the States.
P.S.; and yes, its high time to revolt against the corrupt and collaborator Palestinian Authority. Our struggle is effectively incapacitated as long as these sell-outs speak for us.
Tell me please how Rahm Emmanuel a dual citizen, went to fight Palestinans when he was 18yrs old, and is now a top official in the US government. Did he fight for America or serve in the US military, I havent researched that aspect. But I know that guys like Chertof is a dual passported Israelie, Leiberman and many others serving in the US government are dual citizens of Israel. So who are these Israelie Firsters fighting for….Israel or the US?
@HEZ,
I said they WERE socialists. In fact, the official title of Saddam's Ba'ath Party was/is The Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party.
Socialism is sure easily corrupted/ bought off / co-opted by Judeofascism (and other failures of human character, as personified by Saddam and Obama's corruption), isn't it? It's because centralization and concentrations of power mean fewer people need be corrupted, bought off, co-opted, etc., and a powerful state can more easily keep the masses in line, top down
Also, because the economics of socialism are fraudulent and based on fantastical economic theories like Marxism and Keynesianism, eventually they have to be propped up/enforced at gun point, which is how socialism inevitably degrades into fascism and/or totalitarianism.
Please see: http://www.libertariantoday.com/2010/01/ron-paul-washingtons-fantastical.html
This just in. The gaza Freedom march has hit another snag…The Egyptian police in riot gear are using water cannons against the international freedom folk. Some of them were taken in for questioning and never came back…..dontcha love Egypt….in total support of the zionists attempting to keep, food, fuel, medicines out of Gaza while the Gazans are starving, living out in the cold with no medicine….
I know that Saddam was a despot but he was a secularist and women in Iraq had more freedoms than they ever will under Shia and Sharia law. I will never forget the day Sadaam was hung. He was the only sane person in the room. Whatever they say about him, and he did rule with an iron fist, he was a USA asset for decades. The US armed him against Iran, there is even youtube video of Donald Rumsfield the war criminal delivering the arms to him…to kill Iranians. Its a sick sick world.
Spktruth: go to the link I gave above and go to #7 which covers military service in any other military. It cites Israel in particular but it also states clearly what the criteria are for serving in ANY other military vis a vis your US citizenship. In particular, military service in Israel is compulsory. Note that Leonard Cohen, although Canadian, also served in the Israeli military and his Canadian citizenship was not stripped (he wrote a song about it as well- "Lover, Lover, Lover")
Chris, with respect. Replace the word "socialism" [nonexistent anywhere] with descriptions such as the right to be informed; have healthcare, free higher education; no wars of aggression, etc., appears quite elucidatory.
Socialism is in incipient stage; having a short history of less than a century. Fascism has a history of at least 10 k yrs. In US it had beeen developed until very recently to a near perfection.
Socialism in cuba, an islet in an ocean of fascism, is not yet fully developed. Nor wld fascists ever allow its further development. In china, socialism is also developing. It may be or may not be true that socialists fail socialism.
But socialism can fail only because fascist r much econo-military-diplomaticly stronger and have desire to destroy all vestiges of basic human rights.
We can now observe how scared r feudal societies in irq, afpak, jordan, and most other muslim and arab lands of the social structure of society: They r now uniting with all other fascist lands in order that amirs, kings, beys, deys, aghas
stay in power.
In any case, i see only two structures of societies staying: One with minimal differences in classes and econo-military-political powers or one like in US where a vast minority possesses 90+% of wealth and military-political power.
In short, it is about perm [ideal?] socialist structure or perm [ideal!] fascist structure.
And fascists know this. And they will never ever stop undermining and destroying 90+% of basic human rights. tnx
S@#t is going to hit the fan:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2010/0106/Gaza-border-clashes-leave-Egyptian-soldier-dead
Not giving the link for accuracy but for INFO that an Egyptian soldier in a guard tower was shot dead.
Just google Viva Palestina news or Egypt or Rafaa or whatever way you want to find it.
Sorry, bozh, but Marxism, like Zionism, is an epic fraud and swindle. Given their common parentage, this is hardly surprising.
I think deep down, you probably know this, but can't accept it because of idealism. But charity begins at home.
If American Zionists had practiced this simple rule, they wouldn't be Zionists, and we wouldn't be on the cusp of WWIII because of them and their ideology.
chris,
asking for health care, free higher education, to be informed is, to me, the right thing to do. I have'nt mentioned marxism. Nor have i ever read marx!
"Zionism" is an quite euphemism The euro-asians with the cult are land robbers with intent to murder. What these people have done is what US had been doing for 300yrs: rob, murder, expel.
When i use the word "zionism" i always put it under single quotes to indicate that it has false symbolic value.
This admixture of people have no connection with zion or hebrews.
Sorry, to read that u spurn some basic human rights. tnx
boyz: you got something there! No argument.
The "native Americans" are Asians who emigrated across the land bridge and stole "America" from Mother Nature. This has been scientifically proven.
Absurd, yes. But I'm trying to get at the problem with the Left — it plays a game of "gotcha" and victim to the point of absurdum. Marxist Jews played the game of victim to the point of mass murder in Soviet Russia. Zionist Jews played the game of victim in the Levant to the current state of affairs.
Also, once you understand the economics of socialism, you will understand why it inevitably degenerates into fascism/communism/totalitarianism.
"asking for health care, free higher education, to be informed is, to me, the right thing to do."
"Informed" by whose guidelines? "Educated" by whose guidelines? Marxist guidelines? Zionist guidelines? Islamic guidelines? Christian guidelines? We've been informed and educated by Zionist guidelines in America for decades to the point of brainwashing. That's one reason America is fighting wars for Israel.
I have no problem with social, medical and educational safety nets at a bare minimum. Religious and secular charities and institutions will handle the rest, if allowed. Most of everything else, when left to the state, is brainwashing, indoctrination and ideology-reinforcement utilized by craven schemers (usually money powers) with ulterior motives.
This sounds harsh. It isn’t harsh, it is moral. Statism is harsh, as we are seeing. The Communists taught us that. Hitler taught us that. The plutocrat socialist fascists are teaching us that. The Zionists are teaching us that.
Youseff writes "Since the West in an enabler of the siege and the zionist colonizers are the enforcer of the siege on our people and the main purpose of this convoy is to break the siege , so why not go head-on against the zionists and drive through colonized Palestine to Gaza?'"
Hmm, Not a bad idea .However, providing the necessary escort column of upgraded T-72 tanks and sufficent air cover to defend a 400 vehicle international relief convoy from Zionist attack driving for Gaza from the Allenby Bridge might be a little sticky to arrange. Ditto for the route from Lebanon into northern occupied Palestine and south down the coast road to Gaza. Sadly, the objective conditions and international correlation of forces preclude exercising this option at the moment. Right now, I'd settle for getting rid of the Quisling regime in Ramallah, repudiating foreign NGO donor dependence, rebuilding popular forms of popular organization that characterized the first Intifada and intensfying efforts to mount the type of global BDS campaign so well articulated in the Cairo Declaration last week.
Chris: Where the hell is your proof that native americans came from Asia. What a lot of crap! If thats true (which I dont believe for a minute) than you must submit to the thought, that everyone came from Adam and Eve and migrated around the world. Total fiction.
Chris, with respect,
many words have full symbolic value. The word to "imform" i evaluate as such a word. Drinking water, air, soil, banana, elk, foot, et al are [along with "to inform"] words which are undefinable; i.e., have full symbolic value.
They cannot be furter elucidated.
Asking questions, By whose guidelines is that "driniking water", or by whose guidelines is that an "information" may be ok.
I am not sure that u r alluding to the fact that all people lie. And lie now a lot more than they did 15+ yrs ago, And priests, 'educators' media, pols, et al lie much more and with much more serious effects for many than lies by lower classes.
I am not going to define education, except to say that all info is being part of it. People, all people, shld determine what children shld be taught and not as the case is now where socalled educators and pols largely or only decide the curricula.
But u can forget that the modern masters of warfare and bns of serfs, having made it in shade, will ever provide illumination even for adults let alone children. U exemplify how the job is done. U even discard basic human rights. And a priori to boot. Since US ruling class had posited yet another eternal verity but not a posteriori; after first experiencing it.
Yes, only in america. God Bless America, Greatness of America, Holy Constitution. Isn't that like Sieg Heil, Deutschland Ueber Alles, and Heil Hitler?
I assume u were 'educated' in US! tnx