Care and Feeding of the Holocaust Elephant in the Room (spiced up by Ahmadinejad)
By Mary Rizzo • Oct 11th, 2009 at 13:38 • Category: Features, Hasbara Deconstruction Site, Israel, Newswire, Palestine, Resistance, War, Zionism
WRITTEN BY MARY RIZZO
While preparing the insertion of the article by Nahida Izzat About anti-Semitism, as do all of her thoughtful and intense contributions, many segments caused me to reflect. Her analysis and especially her questions are so important and meaningful, that it would only be logical to address them bit by bit, and I would like to begin with a segment that I believe holds the core to so many of the difficulties of keeping the Palestinian Nakba on the table… it’s that presence in the room of the elephant of the Holocaust.
Incredible, it seems as though it is often the primary argument discussed. I don’t mean only by those who back Israel tooth and nail, but even by those who claim that Israel as a Jewish State must come to an end. Nahida’s first question:
Why is it that we Palestinians are constantly reminded of the horrors of the holocaust, when we had nothing to do with it?
Yes. Why? Why is it the argument in a UN General Assembly the week that the Goldstone Report on the Gaza War was released? Why is it that we have to bear yet again with the Israeli PM raging on about the Holocaust and about how Ahmadinejad denies it, so therefore, “all good people of the world, keep the light of the Holocaust burning bright and let’s keep the focus on Israeli victimhood, current vulnerability and the danger Iran poses” becomes the leitmotif of the day, week, month, year… It is permanent, fuelled constantly.
The Goldstone Report was no small feat of the UN to pull off, and some focus there would have been something close to a dream come true: it was the outcome of an official UN commission headed by a respected judge (a Jewish South African) which revealed that Israel engaged wilfully, deliberately and recklessly in war crimes against the people in Gaza… not in the 1940s, but just last winter. So why did Netanyahu rant and moan? The response is simple: to shift focus with the justification for it that “Ahmadinejad is denying the Holocaust”. But the question begs… Did he?
Had he mentioned the Holocaust in the speech to the UN? I could find not one reference to the Holocaust, much less it’s being denied or not. It was not even mentioned. Yet, what does Netanyahu do? He brings the argument there, because it is beyond doubt that it is effective for Israel’s goal of achieving world sympathy as well as condemnation of Iran, which is a goal of a big part of the “International Community”, and for various nefarious reasons. It gets “sexed up” with the nuclear threat, as if this is indeed the major problem and issue regarding humankind, and we get more and more of these claims that are not really ever verified, “Iran’s got it,” “not yet but close,” “Iran could strike Israel very soon.” All of it backed a few days later by the most intense PR mistake that Iran could muster, long range missile tests. It doesn’t matter now what they do or say, we see the film of the missile set off in a loop for hours and hours on every news show or even commentary.
As I often do, I wonder who’s advising Ahmadinejad, because it sure works wonders for pushing the “Israelis in danger” narrative. Are nuclear weapons going to help bring down the Zionist regime? I really do doubt it, but they sure do a lot to gain them support from the wealthy international community and the political and public backing that would keep Israel’s survival (as a Jewish State) as the priority. I would say that on the face of it, it looks like backward logic.
While Netanyahu and the West rant and rage about the alleged sins of Iran’s President in order to help Israel stay on the top of the game, we see another really bizarre trend in this “constant reminder of the Holocaust”. Surprise surprise, it’s not only the main theme for those whose purpose for existing is to enable Israel who are keeping the “constant reminders of the Holocaust” in the place of prominence. It is also the committed anti-Zionists who like to keep this fil rouge of Ahmadi and the Holocaust running.
Gilad Atzmon, whose views about Zionism are almost always astute, makes the same mistake that Netanayahu does. In his recent paper about Ahmadinejad, Who is a Jew? just a few days after the UN brou-ha-ha he writes: “It is pretty much impossible to deny the fact that Ahmadinejad's take on the holocaust and Israel is coherent, consistent and valid. He seems to have three main issues with the narrative…” and he elaborates on these elements which include numbers, the relevance of historical revision and on the Western responsibility for it.
In the past few years, and in quite a noticeable way, the references to the Holocaust have been decreasing. Did Ahmadinejad deliberately omit the issue of the Holocaust in his important UN speech (which obviously, and predictably, no one seems to know the content of or its theme?) Quite apparently this is the case, and it is indeed plausible that he did it because this was his intention. Nor was the Holocaust mentioned in his speech in Geneva at the International Conference on Racism.
In fact, there is deliberate omission of the matter, and if the translation is to be trusted, we see that he actually says what is not even his own theory, but rather something close to a fact, that is repeated as well by Netanyahu, that the establishment of Israel in Palestine was “in fact, in compensation for the dire consequences of racism in Europe.” Following is the entire quote:
Following World War II, they resorted to military aggression to make an entire nation homeless on the pretext of Jewish sufferings. And they sent migrants from Europe, the United States, and other parts of the world in order to establish a totally racist government in the occupied Palestine… [Delegates walk out in protest. Applause] And in fact in compensation for the dire consequences of racism in Europe… Okay, please. Thank you. And in fact in compensation for the dire consequences of racism in Europe, they helped bring to power the most cruel and repressive, racist regime in Palestine. [Applause]
One may ask themselves the classic questions: If we know that the Israelis are always up in arms about Ahmadinejad/Holocaust, and that they use this as justification for reinforcing their garrison mentality and use it effectively to get more money, arms and support, and then if Ahamdinejad has actually reduced this kind of intervention from his international speaking appearances – why is this focus constantly there even by those who are against the Zionist State and its garrison mentality as if he had indeed said what Netanyahu wants everyone to believe he said? If we are getting our information from Ynet and the Western mainstream media, of course we are using distortion as our resource. We have to be careful to avoid that error. When we are debating, discussing the Holocaust of the Second World War, an event that is over, finished and (as both Netanyahu and Ahmadinejad concur) compensated for at least for the Jews, what space does that leave us for debate, discussion and dissemination of information on TODAY’S Holocaust, the Nakba of the Palestinian people? Has a single Palestinian EVER been compensated for the losses which started at the beginning of the last century and are increasing in violence and frequency? No. Certainly not. Nor have the Lebanese been compensated for the losses they have suffered in the brutal war raged against them… no, not in the past century, but just three years ago.
Is it very productive to reiterate the same narrative of Netanyahu even when it’s an instrumental distortion of reality and the Palestinians are tired of it? Is it productive for the Palestinian people?
Another question by Nahida: Why is it that we Palestinians, are to suffer the same fate as the victims of the holocaust by the hands of those who brag worldwide to act for “never again”?
I would venture to guess, Nahida, that your situation is always pushed to the margins because it is simply not deemed as being interesting enough, and Jews and Israelis have been successful in rendering their own situations more appealing, even by way of deceit and distortion.
It seems obvious that while the Holocaust was indeed used as a pretext for the establishment of the Jewish State in Palestine, it had a lot more than that “going for it”. It was always used by the West to cover its own sins such as Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden occurring in the same years. It was used to have an “ultimate evil” to point to… in this way, there is no self-reflection that would lead to change, which is actually what political writing in the West often aims to do. Once you have an evil that is defined as something that will be unequalled, once you have established clearly that there is a group that is represented as being a victim more worthy of pity than any other victim (so that any other suffering is going to be relatively inferior), the mechanism of turning a blind eye to Palestinian and Arab suffering can become the norm. And, suffer they must, if there is to be a Jewish State in Palestine, which is simply a racist construct that dictates that Jews have rights that “non-Jews” (the negation terminology is interesting) shall never have. In fact, those who are non-Jews are also peddled as “enemies” even by the institutional peaceniks adored in the West and used for the Hasbara, such as David Grossman and Noa. When you have an enemy, naturally, the narrator is a good guy and almost “forced” into “defence”. It’s a great and handy little game for the Israelis, and the Palestinians have not yet been able to show the world the full extent of their situation. Part of that is because Palestinians are denied a voice and they are often told that it would be preferable for them to follow the arguments that those in Europe or North America are dictating. The very most they can do is to learn to be satisfied with assuming the passive victim role in some progressive sites.
I’ve been running Palestine sites for a long time, but before that, I’ve been reading these sites. It is quite interesting that aside from independent blogs, the Palestinian voice is the exception, not the rule, in the progressive or pro-resistance media. I believe that Palestine Think Tank is a happy exception, because most of our contributors and editors are Palestinians, as well as the majority of our content being written by Palestinians. However, just a glance on almost any site about Palestine in English, you are going to find out quite soon that the Palestinian voice is nearly absent. You will see papers (mostly) by Jews and Israelis, articles taken from Haaretz, books by Americans and Britons, but the Palestinian voice is not given its due space.
It certainly is not because they do not have opinions and do not express them well. PTT alone is testament to the variety, vibrancy and originality of these writers. Sometimes, it seems, there is a lot of gatekeeping surrounding what Palestinians say, and by those who make a point of defending freedom of speech for those whose main or sole argument is the Holocaust. I will enter into detail further in this article.
Self-criticism and self-analysis are the basis of any transformation, personal and national alike. Active transformation in the form of popular uprising, which by now a vast majority of Palestinians see as inevitable and necessary, given the failure of politics, also entails the awareness of the level of distress that is growing, distress that time is running out and that even the most basic Palestinian requirements and demands will not be met, as even the most steadfast resistance movements contemplate the realpolitik of recognition of Israel as a Jewish State. This would ratify an enormous injustice, and cancel forever the chance of return. It is necessary for Palestinians to voice all of their views and to act, as the feeling is strong that time is not on their side.
Revolutions imported from anywhere else but internally, among the people, are by necessity viewed with suspicion. The foundation of a popular revolt is always internal. It entails coming into consciousness of the corruption and ineffectiveness of the system or leaders, and thus instilling and encouraging the active, revolutionary spirit of resistance. It is an overthrowing of the mentality that “the people” are passive subjects who must be controlled and must surrender their consent, even against their better judgment. There is no ruling or governing body in the world that tolerates too much dissent.
Every Western country prides itself on claiming that it tolerates dissent. Whether they actually do or not is questionable, but this is at any rate one of the yardsticks to measure the level of democracy they have achieved. Within activism, the dissenting voice is indeed the dominant one. Thus, promotion and support of self-critical voices, whenever they have the freedom to arise, as this is always a risk, is a necessary basis for changing a negative status quo. Fighting gatekeeping within our ranks is a primary concern, and Palestine Think Tank has never backed off on fighting this unhealthy censorship mechanism. Especially vocal gatekeepers, as we know, are the Jewish activists, who always have been very effective in keeping their agendas as the dominant ones. They tend to impose focus on arguments that are more interesting to them, and ones they presumably feel are interesting to others. These arguments are invariably the “Jewish experience”, past, present and future. This naturally includes the two hot topics that always stir up attention, anti-Semitism and the Holocaust. These issues are woven into every discourse, as we have seen, by Zionists and anti-Zionists alike, as if the Jewish experience is indeed the interesting one, and the Palestinians simply have to adjust to playing second fiddle, even at the cost of “constantly being reminded” of these issues, precisely the complaint that Nahida has made in her recent article. As both Meshaal and Nasrallah have said, with the blood of their people still fresh from Israeli aggression, “there is a real Holocaust going on today”, the Holocaust against the people of Palestine and Lebanon.
It is with the goal of keeping the Palestinian and Arab demands for freedom and the necessity of promoting their own voices, that this site has published hundreds of articles by Palestinians and Arabs which call for a more active involvement in building their own future, and refusal to negotiate away their rights, or allow anyone else to set their agenda. At the end of the day, they ought to know what is best for themselves more than a European, American, Israeli or Jew does. This was the spirit of the excellent article by Mohamed Khodr, An Embarassment of Riches and Riches of Embarassments where he pointed out the vast level of the failure of governments in Arab nations to be true to the principles of Islam, often at the expense of the Palestinians. Another important article that was similarly self-critical was by Sami Jamil Jadallah What is Wrong with the Palestinian People? It was his appraisal of the apparent Palestinian complacency in the face of betrayal of the Palestinian people at every level. Anyone who engages regularly with Palestinians knows that this is a big part of the content of their conversations. There was nothing really new or shocking in these positions, despite the enormous pain being expressed of being unable to get angry enough at this state of affairs. The apathy, caused by years of neglect of their cause and the extreme subservience they have in the global sphere, leads to a lack of hope and the feeling that there is no chance to control their own destiny. There is also a frequent tendency of activists who are neither Muslims nor Palestinians to be unaware of this condition of frustration, and they prefer as well to not “offend” Palestinians and insist upon viewing them exclusively in the prism as the “victim” who is waiting for rescue from afar.
Certainly, Palestinians and Muslims are the victims of the worst sort of oppression and war. Their ability to counter the multitude of factors keeping them defeated can’t be denied by anyone. However even “victims” have the capacity to rise up and contribute to the discourse in all of its dynamics. They have the right to mobilise themselves, to speak their minds against not only the Israelis, but also against the “House Arabs” who sell them out or bend to pragmatism when it will run counter to their fundamental demands.
The only effective resistance has only ever been when people stop waiting for approval from outside, when they stop hoping for reform or rescue and when they point their fingers at traitors and encourage healthy rage. Effective resistance has only been determination to not be subjects of someone else’s projects for them or to fit into a profile people have outfitted for them, but to see themselves as the creators of their own destinies. The case of Palestinians is more complicated than one might imagine. It seems as if new hurdles are set in front of them at every turn: they have been unfortunately abandoned by the world when they applied the democratic principles of elections and their situation is further complicated by their’s being a dynamic and complex society that is divided into factions and geographically separated. Acquisition of one’s own narrative, of one’s own power to dissent, being recognised as the protagonists and not the side issue, this is something Palestinians are attempting to gain and their efforts are necessary to enable their own resistance at all levels, and the unity they need to succeed. One is free to disagree with the content of their discourse, but one has the obligation to not discourage the necessary act of their right to free speech.
While circulating especially thought-provoking or controversial papers, as I do at times to a small mailing list of readers, I encouraged the reading of this bitter, painful but powerful essay that offered many points for discussion. I was included in a group mailing of some dozen or so people started by a Jewish activist primarily focused on the subject of the Holocaust who has written a half dozen or so essays, some of which I’ve published. The fact that I may not agree with everything he has written did not however prevent me from encouraging him to write more often so that his right to say unpopular things that could be discussed was safeguarded by me. This is what he wrote:
I don't think this piece should have been written (certainly not in English) and should certainly not have been posted on your website.
I had to wonder if this the same person who wrote back in 2006, published on my previous site, Peacepalestine:
The last point on Ernst and Ingrid (Zundel) has become something of a mantra that I have had to recite so many times in the last year or so: Neither Ingrid nor Ernst has ever used violence, nor have they ever called on anyone else to use violence. Neither has ever discriminated against anyone on ethnic or religious grounds, nor have they called on anyone else to do so. Finally, and for me, most importantly, neither has ever suppressed anyone's right to think, speak and write freely or called on anyone else to do so. Can the same be said for their opponents – particularly those anti-Zionist, and often Marxist Jews?
Whatever I say or write is always characterised by doubt and hesitation. Some have said that this is because I'm afraid of coming clean about my beliefs. But that's not true. It's simply that I am never so sure about anything, other than the value of keeping an open mind and tolerating other opinions.
Evidently, the value of keeping an open mind and tolerating other opinions, well, at least a Palestinian one, has been scrapped.
Besides the fact that the Palestinian author has a long track record for actively demanding redress from the Jews without renouncing the Palestinian right of return, calls for justice, truth and comprehensive archives of all the appropriations of Palestinian property and of all crimes committed against his own people, something hindered time and again by the PLO, calling for his silencing or censorship of him on a Palestinian site is quite inappropriate.
Is tolerance of others’ opinions only a value if those opinions coincide with one’s own or if they are being expressed by a Westerner, Israeli or Jew? Wouldn’t it be more constructive, rather than suppressing someone else’s right to think, speak or write freely or telling an editor they should certainly not have published work one disapproves of, to debate the author? To understand his views? To challenge his claims that one disagrees with and ask him to substantiate them?
Well, my contact in the mailing group didn’t only ignore that invitation to him to do so, something I’ve always encouraged all to do with his own writing, he also chose to not participate in the lively debate between the author and many other people, most of them Palestinians. It seems as though the issue was of great interest and relevancy to quite a few people. Well, that’s his loss, because others have gained by the experience. Someone who is by and large considered to be the maximum expert on and opponent of the Israeli and Jewish lobby, Jeff Blankfort, had this to say in the comments:
Sami, your opening piece on this thread has really made me look at the reality with new eyes. The time has indeed come to put away the bombast, romanticism, and delusions that have contributed to the current situation and not wait for another generation yet to be born to liberate the land.
As an editor and translator of activists for a decade, particularly for writers whose focus is the occupation of Palestine, quite a few of them Palestinians, in fact, I have seen and edited and published every type of argumentation: obviously, this fact would prevent me from agreeing with all of the content, but it is not my duty to censor, but to facilitate discourse. The arguments are so varied in their dominating theme, be it religious, secular, socialist, revolutionary, feminist, Arab Nationalist, pragmatic, strategic, focused on sensitising Westerners, aimed at an Arab public, even satirical pieces that refer to themes that are quite particular. For many of these writers, getting their issues to a broad public is an infrequent event. Although the material is extremely enlightening, the lack of exposure of their voices keeps their issues in the margins. Just the idea that Arab Nationalism as a means of gaining Palestinian liberation, a major item of discourse in the Middle East, is all but unheard of in many progressive sites should not be surprising. These sites are busy (still) thinking about the Holocaust rather than issues that interest Palestinians and are part of a strategic paradigm. As a Palestinian person once wrote in comments on the site, “If I convert to Judaism, I think I will all of a sudden start becoming interesting to people. Should I do it?”
So, with all of this in mind, I have a few modest proposals to make for those who are involved in any way in the Palestinian issue:
1) Freedom of speech should be the right of everyone. This would include the right and duty to critique people’s arguments as well as criticise across the board, “House Arabs”, “censors and gatekeepers”. They aren’t really serving the Palestinian cause, are they? If they are, we need to know how.
2) Demand broader dissemination of the Palestinian and Arab voice. They alone are the victims of Western, Imperialist and Zionist domination, and indeed, they are the last victims of the Holocaust. Anyone who can, should encourage their right to dissent, just like Westerners expect for themselves.
3) To get the Holocaust issue once and for all in its perspective and not as the core issue of international policy and the consequential activist focus. Just like 9/11 has shown us, focus on one single dramatic event, even when all the facts will never be made available, serves as a pretext to legitimise things such as the Global War on Terror and the actual wars against nations that are the consequence of this. New wars are being planned and justifications made for them in the same moment that old wars are still producing their scores of victims. This precaution should be heeded since it is proven again and again that this is the modus operandi. If focus on Holocaust we must, let us focus on the Holocaust of epic proportions going on in Gaza right now.
4) Ahmadinejad is not Iran. He is the President who governs in a situation of major internal dissent on the verge of further popular explosions. He should not be used as a convenient instrument to attack the sovereign nation of Iran. His words about the world situation may be sincere, but he must be judged (primarily by his own people) by his actions, not all of which do gain popular support and some of which feed the Israeli paranoia. But, his words MUST actually be the ones he is using, not some narrative of him that can be pulled out as an instrument for any cause, be it Zionist or anti-Zionist.
The active choice for those who seek true and complete Palestinian liberation has to be openness to the voices that do not accept compromise or surrender of their rights. Support of people who will not betray the Palestinian and Arab search for freedom. We have to have faith in the power of the Word, in the power of popular uprising, and continue to have faith in the future of the Arab populations who WILL set their own agendas and speak their own minds without waiting for anyone’s permission or approval. Like all of us, they are seeking solutions to their problems and analysing their own reality, putting it in the spotlight, where it belongs. They are tired of being “constantly reminded of the Holocaust”, and who can blame them?
The diversity of their voices is an asset that needs to be consolidated, not a liability to eliminate. Different thoughts contribute to growth, and the more we hear, the more we learn. Variety, diversity, space for participation and discussion of the issues that Palestinians find important is the key to keeping their agenda on the table and raising the consciousness that is at the basis of all resistance. Free Minds for a Free Palestine is not just the motto of our site. This IS a THINK tank, after all!
Mary Rizzo is an art restorer, translator and writer living in Italy. Editor and co-founder of Palestine Think Tank, co-founder of Tlaxcala translations collective. Her personal blog is Peacepalestine.
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Someday People will look to the ORIGIN of Genocide —
Israel WROTE THE BOOK on genocide
The Nazis were just following the Jewish "teachings"
KILL THE SICK and CRIPPLED
Numbers c.5 v.2-4
KILL HOMOSEXUALS
Leviticus c.20 v.13 well, really the whole chapter
KILL ALL DISSIDENTS:
Exodus c.32 v.27
Numbers c.11 v.1-2
Numbers c.16 all
Numbers c.21 v.5-6
Numbers v.26 v.10
NO "diversity", NO "integration":
Numbers v25 v.4-8
Deuteronomy c.14 v.2
After DEhumanizing the Native People of Palestine, the Israelites introduced GENOCIDE to the World:
Numbers c.21 v.03 Canaanites
Numbers c.21 v.24 Amorites
Numbers c.21 v.33 Bashan
Numbers c.31 all Midianites
Numbers c.32 v. more Amorites
Deuteronomy c.2 v.34 People of Heshbon
Deuteronomy c.3 v.6 really the whole chapter. threescore cities
Joshua c.12 A list of victims of Israeli GENOCIDE
Where are THEIR "holocaust" Memorials!
GENOCIDE CODIFIED IN THEIR RELIGION
Numbers c.33 v.31-34
Deuteronomy c.7 v.2
Deuteronomy c.12 v.28-30
Deuteronomy c.20 v.11-16
TERRORISM CODIFIED IN THEIR RELIGION
Deuteronomy c.2 v.2
Deuteronomy c.7 v.1
Anti-GENTILISM is the source of "antisemitism". HUMANITY did not invent "antisemitism" and then wait thousands of years for judaism to appear, just so everybody could "hate" it for absolutely no reason. Jacob invented judaism, Moses (another "gem" of humanity) codified anti-GENTILISM in his "torah". Then judaism practiced anti-GENTILISM, their hatred of ALL NON-jews, and the only SANE reaction of any NON-jew is self defense, which the "Tribe" calls antisemitism.
Judaism is neither a race or a religion, it is Xenophobic Tribalism.
XENOPHOBIC: n.
A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.
TRIBALISM: n.
1. The organization, culture, or beliefs of a tribe.
2. A strong feeling of identity with and loyalty to one's tribe or group.
"a Jewish activist primarily focused on the subject of the Holocaust who has written a half dozen or so essays, some of which I’ve published."
Just for the record, this person is me.
Paul Eisen
[...] palestinethinktankWhile preparing the insertion of the article by Nahida Izzat About anti-Semitism, as do all of her thoughtful and intense contributions, many segments caused me to reflect. Her analysis and especially her questions are so important and meaningful, that it would only be logical to address them bit by bit, and I would like to begin with a segment that I believe holds the core to so many of the difficulties of keeping the Palestinian Nakba on the table… it’s that presence in the room of the elephant of the Holocaust. [...]
"Why is it that we Palestinians are constantly reminded of the horrors of the holocaust, when we had nothing to do with it? "
why?
because the paleo's are GUILTY of creating the same for they're sorry, made up "race" of people.
made up due to the fact their actually arabs / jordanians
guilty of creating the same circumstance due to the fact they are not peace-loving people
paleo's = repeat a lie until it becomes the truth
mary rizzo & Nahida Izzat = spewers of lies & propaganda
Mary says:
The active choice for those who seek true and complete Palestinian liberation has to be openness to the voices that do not accept compromise or surrender of their rights
I agree. Palestinians should never negotiate peace with the Israelis. They should fight to the end!
Mary asks an important question here about why the Holocaust and Ahmadinejad's attitude about it is constantly repeated even by those who oppose the Zionist State, even now that Ahmadinejad is actually mentioning the Holocaust LESS than he did before. Moreover, she asks, referring to the question from "Nahida," why the Palestinians are suffering a new Holocaust at the hands of those who boast that they will "Never Again" be so victimized. She guesses that the answer to both questions is that the Palestinian situation is not deemed "interesting enough" to the world community, and because the Zionists have been successful in making their own sufferings more appealing, albeit through deception and distortion. I submit that there may be another reason, one which lies at the heart of the way Zionism has been able to appropriate world opinion for its own purposes for decades. It is called "controlled opposition." This is a tactic long used by "intelligence" agencies for what the Soviets called "active measures." In controlled opposition, an intelligence agency or government obtains the cooperation of key individuals, either through intimidation or bribery, among those opposed to their policies in order to manipulate enemy governments or organizations into doing what the agency or government considers is in its best interest. I strongly suspect that Ahmadinejad is, in fact, a Zionist agent who has been manipulated into power and influence in order to bring about the destruction of Iran as a threat to Israel's hegemony in the region. That might explain why his family apparently has Jewish roots. I also suspect that many in the "Zionist opposition" in the blogosphere and among journalists and commentators are also Zionist agents.
I too have always wondered why the Palestinians must pay the price for the Holocaust. Why not give the Jews a piece of Germany or hell, why not give them a piece of Alaska? You can't just steal a country from the indigenious people of Palestine.
Thanks, this was a very thought provoking article and I am already re arranging my own priorities and my personal narrative as far as resisting and acting against Zionism is concerned. The most important single point to me was the idea that the Jews have after all been compensated for their "Holocaust", which is itself all the reason needed to demand an end to its discussion and the begginning of serious attention being paid to the ongoing and in its way continuous holocaust. Almost as important the idea that the Palestinians are in a sense still suffering from the Jewish Holocaust so if any discussion of it is to ensue then the fact the Palestinians are directly being made scapegoats for the thing. This has always been my understanding of President Ahmadi Nejad's argument anyway.
The biggest lie of 20th century, Palestinism, will eventually encroach upon the world like Nazism. Both movements thrive to threaten the destiny of the Jewish nation. Nazism, by denying the physical existence of the Jews, while Palestinism by the denying the Return to Zion, the restoration of Jewish sovereign existence in the age-old Jewish homeland, from times immemorial.
As long as certain Arabs will persist in adhering to the pernicious ideology of Palestinism, they will continue to incur calamity upon themselves and the entire world.
It's about time, the Arabs of Israel, considerable part of which are descendants of Jews violently forced to convert to Islam during the Islamic occupation of the Land of Israel, will get back on the constructive track, and relinquish their blood-stained Palestinistic nightmare…
Judah Tzoref (PhD Oxford University)
Rehovot
Israel
Thanks Mary,
Indeed Silence kills:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PsSCWo7rMg
Paul Eisen is Jewish!? How come?
I am bewildered!
Paul, do you claim that your ancestors originated in Judah?
Ain't you a Khazar?
Who would believe that smart and intelligent people believe that the useless worthless Qassam rockets will liberate Gaza and that Hamas fighters will defend the people of Gaza when in fact such irresponsible resistance managed to kill not more than a dozen Israel soldiers while Israel managed to destroy some 30,000 homes made more than 500,000 homeless and killed some 1,800? Where is the smart intelligent resistance? Certainly it is not in Gaza. Why does Hamas leadership put the fate and lives of millions of people in the hands of reckless, irresponsible resistance fighters and fails to take charge and fails to take responsibility for its failed strategy?
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The simple truth is lost in all those words – without one mention of the one truth which matters most: A Jewish state forced into Palestine is violent state-racism as plain as it ever gets. (End of argument.) We keep hearing about 'The Holocaust' for 2 reasons: 1. because it's a pretty effective argument, and 2. because the audible Palestinian voices, echoing the audible US Zionist 'peace-activists,' egregiously fail to use the elementary anti-racist argument, as cited above. The flat, outraged condemnation of BLATANT racism is given constant, primary emphasis in all other cases, but it cannot be found at all in the pro-Palestine side of this discourse. Those who simply USE that elementary argument – and refuse to let Zionists steer the discourse onto other issues – never fail to win. It has been clear that the weakness of the PA has been pervasive throughout Palestinian leadership – as they seem to think it's better to win favor with media-connected 'peace Zionists' – proposing the overtly racist and unworkable 'two-state solution,' for example – rather than take a principled stand against any and all forms of racism or prejudice in the Conflict. Wherever this approach has been used it has won easily – OF COURSE!! But throughout the anti-war efforts following 9/11, this argument was NEVER MENTIONED by speakers, and those of us who applied it were banned from Palestinian discussion-lists, when we pointed out that FAILURE to protest racism, and failure to reject the 'two-state' nonsense is a fundamentally ZIonist position. This was childishly interpreted as 'calling [someone] a ZIonist,' and such 'personal attacks' as grounds for banishment. Our pleas for REASON generally ended up being answered by one or another US liberal-Zionist Jewish shepherd decrying our 'insensitivity' to the sufferings etc. etc. The history of Palestinian failure is the history of Palestinian disregard for the most universal western political truth: Zero tolerance for racism and primary emphasis on it, whenever it appears in any political conflict – and particularly when it is the CORE of an expanding global conflict. Zionism's first line of defense is the neglect that this one point suffers at the hands and mouths of Palestinians, as the Western 'peace activists' are neatly herded away from the basic truth by their Zionist 'anti-war leaders.' This is not a speculative interpretation: there are many pages of examples and specifics, including superb (and UNIQUE) victories against Zionists due to using the obvious arguments described.
Judah
It is this ignorance and arrogance which flames Zionism and causes so much suffering upon the rightful owners of the land, mainly Palestinians. Israel was NEVER a nation in history, and the "jews" are composed of many races as a result of being converted to Judaism around the 10th century. Since the Khazar "jews" invaded Palestine and committed genocide the Middle East has been in turmoil.
"James" seems to be one of those paid zionist trolls.
Mary inserted a statement above which is quite interesting and I think has been sort of overlooked by the readers here. It goes to American mentality at the time of the Nakba, America's actions in finding a solution at the end of WWII to the Holocaust which resulted in American support for Zionism. Rather than bring up the Holocaust again, which I thoroughly agree should NEVER have resulted in the dispossession of the Palestinian people from their homeland-yet another Holocaust-Mary brought in a very interesting factor of what was occurring at the same time-that perhaps there was a bait and switch going on:
"It seems obvious that while the Holocaust was indeed used as a pretext for the establishment of the Jewish State in Palestine, it had a lot more than that “going for it”. It was always used by the West to cover its own sins such as Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden occurring in the same years. It was used to have an “ultimate evil” to point to… in this way, there is no self-reflection that would lead to change, which is actually what political writing in the West often aims to do".
In the middle of the war-crimes offense on Gaza, Lieberman made the following statement:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1231774444907
Lieberman: Do to Hamas what the US did to Japan.
""We must continue to fight Hamas just like the United States did with the Japanese in World War II," Lieberman added. "Then, too, the occupation of the country was unnecessary."
The dropping of the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not the only actions during WWII for which the US must be held accountable. During WWII 120,000 Japanese in Western states were interred in concentration camps simply because they had as little as 1/16 Japanese blood-a very similar parallel to what has been done to the Palestinians (not the conditions, of course they are different-but the basis, racism, is the same) -Israel claiming that for their security Gaza must be sealed off, the West Bank occupied-anyone Palestinian is suspect simply due to their blood.
At the time of WWII Japanese internment was justified as a necessity, it took more than 40 years to gain redress for internment and still a few more years until the official apology for internment was made by the US government. Redress and the apology came because through the Freedom of Information Act, it was found that internment had NOT been a military necessity, prior rulings finding internment was Constitutional were vacated, and that a report, the Ringle Report (warning-reading this has racist commentary) had been ignored when Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066
Scroll down to the section: movement to redress victims
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Japanese+American+Evacuation+Cases
Here is the Ringle Report itself:
http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/jap%20intern.htm
I am bringing these issues up here because Mary brought in a very pertinent factor concerning US support of the Zionist movement at the time, by saying LOOK AT THAT WOUNDED BIRD OVER THERE, IT NEEDS HELP, while at the same time the US had committed it's own crimes was not only diversionary, it was hypocritical. Furthermore, the US has aligned itself with an entity who is still 61 years later discriminating against Palestinians, interring them due to RACE. Til this day you will find Americans justifying Japanese internment during WWII, it would be close to impossible to convince them that this was a racist policy. What is that saying? "Birds of a feather flock together"? It couldn't be more true than to look at the parallel of what the US did to the Japanese, not only being the only country to have ever used the atom bomb killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese, but also their internment solely based on race. Much has been written on comparing the Native American experience at the hands of the US government, that nexus in time when Israel was created on the pools of blood left by Palestinians, the US was committing it's own crimes against the Japanese people.
PS: most will not be aware of this, but when Malcom X was assassinated, the woman who covered his body with hers was Yuri Kochiyama who Spike Lee left out of his epic film. She is still alive, in her 80s.
For years she was close confidant to Malcom X. Google her if you wish to learn more. The following is an excerpt from the book she has written, spoken here on youtube by Sandra Oh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApXSv6845cU&feature=PlayList&p=CA133A39259F6C8F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=24
"I was so red, white and blue, I couldn't believe this was happening to us……………………"
At the same time, the US kidnapped over 2400 Japanese Latin Americans, brought them to the US, interred them at Crystal City detention camp in Texas, and later traded many of them for US POWs
http://www.campaignforjusticejla.org/history/index.html
LOOK, OVER THERE, IT'S WOUNDED BIRD AND IT NEEDS OUR HELP……………
No, James is a Maronite who lives far away from his homeland thanks to people like you. But whoever is James, you have to meditate on what He is saying
In the school cafeteria there's the fat little kid who munches chocolate bars all day, and cleverly swindles other kid's snacks in exchange for help with their schoolwork. This little fat kid whines incessantly about not having enough toys, enough snacks and above all not enough "authoritah". He is insatiable. He runs the school paper,in which he whines about how he's picked on for no reason, or just because he's so overfed, he feels he's starving and needs constant feeding, which the other (skinny) kids see as him just being a greedy little fat kid and tease him for it. He blames everyone for his "starvation". So from everyone he demands sympathy in the form of snacks in exchange for the "answers" the other kids should really figure out for themselves. Then, at the end of the day on the bus he kicks a skinny kid out of his seat to sit down because his fat ass demands it, and has the arrogance to keep on whining that he was there before the skinny kid! Don't the other kids see this?
Those pesky ponerologists!
They just keep on confusing Palestine with the PALEestine.
And they think they're so smart.
Ban James and delete his posts, hes annoying
"The facts and nothing but the facts – "Whooppee Berkshire, You are 'D' man!"
Gracias amigo!
The most interesting thing about the Jewish 'defense shield' – (Just scream 'Anti-semitism' as loud as you can – preferable in Hymie town – NYC, just an ear-shot from 1600 Pennsylvania and the US 'Knesset' with all of its AIPAC 'bought and paid for' Israel 1st'er congressional harlots and posterboys – is the fact that they [the ZioNazi's] have 'honed' it to a self-serving science.
Here we have the Palestinians, a humble 'semitic' people, who in many cases are 'more' semitic that most of the AshkaNAZI rats that wondered into old Palestine from Europe and North Africa into what is currently called the West Bank, barbarians who are currently bulldozing the Bedouin Arabs' homes, schools and farmlands while filling their sparse water wells with stones and debris in the Sinai to make room for the Jewish settler locaust plague that begins to build with the help of the IDF war criminals – and who get's kicked in the teeth by these 'Bible demons' with their aggressors 'axe' of state terrorism? – The 'semitic' Palestinian Arabs, of course!'
Yassar, I await the Ahmadinejad nuclear 'equalizer' and when it arrives in another 36/48 months, we will rediscover M.A.D. (Mutally Assured Destruction), that wonderful state of mind that kept the US 'Attila' and the Russian 'Ivan-the-terrible' with their arrows in their quivers and their red telephones 'close by' and their 'launch codes' in dual-key secure steel boxes where no 'loco' could start WW III in a heartbeat,
AMEN!
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
It's absurdly simple. The power of mind-controlling propaganda is best seen in the Zionist ability to keep the discourse circling through nonsense, when, in reality: A JEWISH STATE FORCED INTO MULTI-ETHNIC PALESTINE IS VIOLENT STATE-RACISM AS PLAIN AS IT EVER GETS. End of argument. Anyone who approves of an expressly 'Jewish' identity for Israel is a self-declared violent racist. Yet the Zionists, like 'James,' manage to keep this elementary argument out of the discourse. They know what they are doing – murdering children and committing all the other horrors 'required' to 'defend' the Jewish-supremacist identity of Israel – and to keep stealing that priceless real-estate as fast as they can. Lying as fast as a dog can run – and doing it with sincere expressions – is the least of the crimes 'required.' The solution is equally simple and obvious; JUST LOUDLY DEMAND AN END OF ALL FINANCING FOR ANY AND ALL POLICIES OF OFFICIAL ETHNIC OR RELIGIOUS PREJUDICE, BY ANYONE, IN THE ISRAEL-PALESTINE CONFLICT. This would lead to justice by ending injustice, step by step. No one has to blather about the Holocaust or the 'two-state racist solution.' A single, mainly Arab state would result and all the Zionist-supremacists would lose their special advantages. In the meantime, the victims of ethnic-cleansing have every right to shoot back into the cleansed areas, even if the racist invaders bring children into them, and they absolutely must keep fighting, no matter how ineffectively. But their leaders absolutely must begin to use the dream argument of a political lifetime: the absolute inadmissibility of any US or European funding for OBVIOUS RACISM – as inherent in 'the Jewish state' and the denial of Palestinian return, and the 'Jewish Only' settlements etc.
Can any power tolerate an entity bent on the annihilation of its captive citizenry?World events and individuals comprising Nations united and democracies coexisting under this universally recognized conduct we shall refer to as international laws of the criminal court at the Hague shall now set course in a manner which will appear to be pre ordained.If this were a cinematic event millions would be facing jerusalem at sunset with hands on hearts or out stretched and the message made into one voice would sound something like the word ……Over!!!!!!!!! tonight at five and every night thereafter face jerusalem and say…………..thank you!
It's now official – there's no actual shortage of Holocaust survivors:
'The Israeli Prime Minister's office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million' (extract from The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York, published by Verso, London and New York, 2000, p.83).
I've checked out the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War and the statement is quite correct – not a single mention of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war.
Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.
In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war.
Have a look at a typical account by one of the seemingly endless number of survivors: Olga Lengyel’s Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz (Granada/ Ziff-Davis, 1947, 1972).
The blurb on the cover of the book quotes the New York Herald-Tribune: "Passionate, tormenting". Albert Einstein, the promoter of the US construction of the bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is quoted as offering "You have done a real service by letting the ones who are now silent and most forgotten (sic) speak."
Lengyel says
‘After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies.. Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry.’ (Paperback edition, pp80-81). [No trace of any remains of or in ‘death pits’ has been found.]
This implies almost 100,000 corpses per four working days, or a million in 40 days, or six million in 240 days (eight months).
Could this claim be a misprint?
Kitty Hart, in spite of her name a Jewish survivor born in Poland, fully confirms these figures:
‘Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period.’ (p 118; Return to Auschwitz – paperback edition by Granada (1981, 1983).
According to the cover blurb, ‘The subject of the award-winning Yorkshire television documentary of the same name.’ ‘Both engaging and harrowing…an important addition to the growing holocaust literature, very little of which conveys so courageously both the daily torment and the will to survive’ – Martin Gilbert, The Times.
Martin Gilbert, indefatigable Jewish campaigner on behalf of the ‘Holocaust’ and biographer of Winston Churchill, adds to the rich flavour and makes his own numerical claims, certainly not without chutzpah:
In his book Auschwitz and the Allies (1981) he states
‘The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmo, Sobibor and Treblinka.’ (p.26).
If we assume a minimum figure of 200,000 per day, this amounts to say a million a five-day working week, or 6 million in six weeks, and this does not include the truly awe-inspiring claims for Auschwitz put forward by Hart and Lengyel with Gilbert’s blessing.
A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.
For six days in October 1999, an Australian team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination of the soil at the site of the former Treblinka II camp in Poland, where, Holocaust historians say, more than half a million Jews were put to death in gas chambers and then buried in mass graves.
According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1997), for example, "a total of 870,000 people" were killed and buried at Treblinka between July 1942 and April 1943. Then, between April and July 1943, the hundreds of thousands of corpses were allegedly dug up and burned in batches of 2,000 or 2,500 on large grids made of railway ties.
Krege's team used an $80,000 Ground Penetration Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters, and sometimes up to ten meters. (GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists, and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, Krege's team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil core samples.
The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged "mass graves" portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes.
"From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site," says the 30-year old Krege, who lives in Canberra. "We know from scans of grave sites, and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether." Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years, Krege noted.
While his initial investigation suggests that there were never any mass graves at the Treblinka camp site, Krege believes that further work is still called for.
"Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp's use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed," he says. "Personally, I don't think there was a mass extermination camp there at all."
Krege prepared a detailed report on his Treblinka investigation. He says that he would welcome the formation, possibly under United Nations auspices, of an international team of neutral, qualified specialists, to carry out similar investigations at the sites of all the wartime German camps.
TheAZCowBoy, Tombstone, AZ,
I thought developing nuclear weapon is against Islamic principles, that at least what Iranian leaders are claiming. But lying, I am told, is not. We all know the truth. Let me tell you this: Arabs are fools and never learn from experience. Their new Messiah is not only going to prove false, but it is very likely that self-designated Palestinians are going to pay very dearly for an Iranian adventure. I am waiting for the day Zibballah thugs are destroyed so I can go back to my country.
Dear James…
When the swamp is over-flowing with snapping alligators, Jewish or otherwise, its difficult to remember that your original intention was to drain the swamp.
In the case of genocidal Israel, they have 'forfeited' their right to 'play' the 'Eternal 'victims' of the so-called Holocaust, long, long ago, and after Lebanon (1982-2006), including the Sabra and Chatilla Palestinian camp massacres, Qana 1, Beit Hunoun, Jenin, and of late their massacres in Gaza, they have retrogressed into a pack of venomous snakes 'unworthy' of anyones respect. The kind of venomous snake you aim your car to crush it, 'even' if it is 'peaceably' crossing the road – in search of another (gulp!) victim to engorge.
As for 'lying liar politicians' – 'where have you been all your life!' – Nuff said. (My apologies to Jimmy Carter, truly a man of God.').
James: 'I thought developing nuclear weapons is against Islamic principles.'
TheAZCowBoy: It 'was' – but like in the case of the Jews invention of 'usuary' – it proved so profitable that they never went back to being honest. Remember Judas who 'sold Jesus out' for a few pieces of gold?
Well, the Islamic nations are learning fast after falling 'so far behind the arrogant incorrigibles of Israel.'
C'est le Vi!
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
As if the US Jewish owned and operated media didn't give us enough of this caca…
Example:
Judah Tzoref on October 12th, 2009 at 8:11:
The biggest lie of 20th century, Palestinism, will eventually encroach upon the world like Nazism. Both movements thrive to threaten the destiny of the Jewish nation. Nazism, by denying the physical existence of the Jews, while Palestinism by the denying the Return to Zion, the restoration of Jewish sovereign existence in the age-old Jewish homeland, from times immemorial. (TAC: Burp!)
As long as certain Arabs will persist in adhering to the pernicious ideology of Palestinism, they will continue to incur calamity upon themselves and the entire world.
It's about time, the Arabs of Israel, considerable part of which are descendants of Jews violently forced to convert to Islam during the Islamic occupation of the Land of Israel, will get back on the constructive track, and relinquish their blood-stained Palestinistic nightmare…
Judah Tzoref (PhD Oxford University)
Rehovot, (occupied Palestine) Israel
Hey, Momma Rizzo, can you ship this Jew to Gaza City. I think the authorities there need to add to their collection of 'trading chips' now limited to one dimuniative IDF rat by the name of Giland Shalit – please add Jewish zealot Judah Tzoref, PhD to the nearest kosher 'cauldron of hate' and add some cilantro to kill the 'skunkish' taste, K?'
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
It is a shame. This site I once thought had the promise of being a place for ideas and thought provoking conversation. It has since spiraled into just another amateur I hate Jews let me count the ways website. Hate, half truths and full out lies fill the comments. The html has been broken for what seems like months now. Too bad really.
TheAZCowBoy, Tombstone, AZ
You say: Remember Judas who 'sold Jesus out' for a few pieces of gold?
Indeed, Judas and Christ are Jewish, that is, real ethnic Jews. But I am sure that a bigot like you hold the claim that present-day Jews are not related to the ancient Jews, and they are, as a matter of fact, Khazars. Even in this thread posters made the claim that Jews are Khazars. So let us be decent enough, and not blame Khazars for what ethnic Jews did thousands of years ago. They have enough of their own faults. If you truly believe in our God Jesus Christ, you should be more decent and humble.
I am not so interested in from which Iron Ore Iron was made.
Nazis Holocaust and Six Million are never important at all compared with Palestine Holocaust.
Nazis Holocaust and Pogrom are past tenses, but Palestine Holocaust is present continuous.
I recognize Hitler's Jewish Soldiers and Edith Hahn Beer and Daniel Oswald Rufeisen and Abraham Foxman aka Henryk Stanislas Kurpi to be a Marranos.
Unless the Jewish Definition used for Six Million decision and the number of the Marranos generated during World War II are made to decide, Six Million are completely meaningless.
Probably, it will be more significant for us to argue about a means to save the Palestinian rather than Carlo Mattogno and Floriano Abrahamowicz also argue about the killed true number of Jews out of which an answer does not come simply.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/highlights/edith.shtml
Hahn Beer went into hiding. She was helped by a Christian friend, a young woman,
who risked her life by giving Edith her papers and pretending that the papers had been lost in the Danube.
'It was a very brave thing to do'.
In 1942, Hahn Beer who was now 28, travelled to Munich.
There she assumed the identity of Grete, a young poorly educated nurse and joined the Red Cross.
who risked her life by giving Edith her papers and ""pretending"" that the papers had been lost in the Danube.
Like any good Zionist, James sees people according to their genetic ethnicity above all – but the Jewish connection to the murder of Jesus is mainly ideological, and it's crucial to understanding the psychological and moral distinction demanded by those who call themselves 'Jews.' Regardless of nationality, Jews share one common point – denial of the truths of Jesus. Yes, Jesus was a Jewish rabbi who came along at the right time to advance his people away from the common, primitive, genocidal notion of 'One God, OUR God, not yours' and into theological and psychological realism and universalism. That's why the words attributed to Jesus, if taken literally, free from bogus 'Christian' spin, coincide with the principles of every important religion and philosophy from all over the world. In contrast, Judaism is little more than a vaunting of tribal superiority, nothing like any real religion, and mainly unified by consistent DENIAL of the Basic Truths, as expounded in the West by Jesus, in the East by Buddha, in the modern world by the Existential Psychotherapists, and so on. A careful reading shows that Jesus mainly freed his listeners from guilt-ridden denial, thus neurosis, emphasizing kindness and ethics, largely because they will keep us listening and thinking even when we are threatened with discovering that we have been wrong – the best of discoveries. The true Jews followed the progress presented by their best-ever rabbi, Jesus, but the false Jews – those attached to the worldly powers of the political structure – those threatened by the power of the truth – had to get rid of him. This is only natural. It is why the old Jewish prophets knew that a prophet is never liked in his hometown. So today's 'Jews' are those who still follow the path of attachment to the tribal/political structure of primitive Judaism. They refuse to be freed from denial, or neurosis, because they insist on denying the truth of the rabbi who came to free them from denial. So they're stuck in that intensive denial, and they intermarry with others similarly stuck, so a genetic behavior is in fact cultivated. Imposing transparent denial on children makes them neurotic, as the clarity of their inner identity is blown into the weeds of indoctrination; so, they must cling to that indoctrination for the substitute identity it provides, and they must succeed within the ways of the tribe, in order to run from the demons of their own non-being. The murder of Jesus and denial of that murder are one and the same ideological foundation for the last of the pre-historic tribes of neurotic, racist conquerors – now having infiltrated into Western societies to erode their values and suck up their riches, discreetly working for their own tribal supremacy, while pretending to share the values of their naive host countries. In the US, the Jews, voting together, have largely replaced the Constitution with the Talmud. In all their suffering, the Palestinians are still resisting a moral conquest which the Zionists have won in much of the Western world – which is more deeply occupied than Palestine. The Palestinian resistance against an explicitly 'Jewish' and openly racist Israel is the forefront of Western resistance to tribal Judaism, or the front of our liberation from it.
To ak and james and judas. we dont care what you say. we know what you did last christmas and the one before. there is nothing you can do to make up for that. there is nothing you can do to make up for erasing five hundred villages in forty eight.
we know you. we know who took our country. so why so much blah blah blah? you are our enemy and that is it!
punks.
Dave Kersting,
Blah, blah , blah. What a load of rubbish coming from your racist repulsive mouth. Reading your pile of rubbish, I have realized that you're here not because of your sympathy with the Arabs but because of your hatred of Jews. You are a liar and a distorter of the truth. And please, do not use the word murder when you speak of Christ. Jesus Christ is Love, and I do not wish to speak with a person filled with hatred about Him.
Why anybody who does not agree with your sick views is labeled as a Zionist!?
Can you spare some time speaking about the Shia Muslim terrorists in Lebanon who have made many of us leave our homeland forever. Or you rather spend your whole energy hating the Jews.
Jalid
I took no country of you, stupid. If anything, assuming that you're a Palestinian, you took our dear and beautiful country and destroyed it. My country, Lebanon, has been under Arab occupation for too long. Lebanon belongs to the Maronites. Arabs should leave my country. We are fed up with their evil terrorism way of live.
james,
the reason you are nice and safe wherever you are is because you chose to associate yourself with the host country you are in as opposed having to live and deal with the reality of the country you claim to be from. lebanese maronite nationalism as you propogate is a dead thing. it died and faded out like the 60s and 70s where it belongs. start respecting muslims and palestinians and accept the reality. shia muslims are not terrorists. they are lebanese. and 'yes', zionism is a sick viewpoint. and you are defending it. this is however not a forum to talk about the propogation of christianity. as such, go and enjoy typing on that comfortable couch of yours talking about 'love' ala american church fundamentalism and your 'loving' defence of zionist jews. hey, don't shia and other muslims deserve some 'lovin' too. spread the love man..
ginosz says: start respecting muslims and palestinians and accept the reality
I say: Start respecting Christians and Jews and accept the reality of the State of Israel. And in the future, the reality of a Christian Lebanese State.
The only place in the Middle East where Christians can lead a secured live is Israel.
You must be a horrible person if you are not willing to see the plight of the Maronites in Lebanon. And please note that I am not speaking of any nationalist rights, but human rights which are denied to us in many ways.
And what's about the Christians in Iraq? The real indigenous people of this country most of whom were forced to run away for their lives. What do you have to say about this!?
We shall never accept this reality. The Near East is not Muslim. It has been Christian. Arabs are the destroyers of the native peoples of the Near East. I will never respect Muslims.
I belong to a subjugated minority, and you expect me to love the subjugating Shia scums, What a joke.
Um, James (#36), you seem to have become delirious here. I love this – when the Zionists can't keep up the 'respectable' act, lose control, and show what they're made of. I bring them to this point in public, quite often, to the amazement and education of all beholders. Thanks James. I will copy your 'reply' and paste it in my folder of 'Zionism explained by Zionists.' It's a very thick file, or no one would believe that your contribution is representative – but, yes, in fact, congratulations James; your 'bottom line' is exactly the best we ever hear from Zionists. I call it 'Zionist theology.' It's just too simple: a Jewish state forced into Palestine is violent state-racism as plain as it ever gets. You can't weasel out of it any more. This truth was buried for decades under the bogus Zionist rubric, 'the complexities of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, with its inevitable Arab refugees.' But that doesn't work anymore: the world can see that it's a simple conflict between the indigenous civilian population and racist tribal invaders from all over the world, in their OPENLY supremacist 'Jewish State' built by ethnic-cleansing, pure and simple, still going on in broad daylight. So all you ZIonists can do now is lapse into your famous hissy-fits. If this were Palestine, you could shoot me and delude yourself that you can win that way, but you actually will find that you actually cannot shoot the whole non-Jewish world. All that remains is for you guys is to be arrested. And we're all sure you will keep on spewing blather to the bitter end.
Oh, by the way, James, if you can come to your senses and find anything I actually said to actually disagree with – in any coherent way – we would all be delighted to hear it. Otherwise, you can go now. You've proven our point sufficiently.
Dave Kersting,
Your post does not seem to be a response to my post, but rather one of your saved posts in the folder of 'Responses to Zionists.' If you're a human being and not a bot, you should seek medical help.
Idiot like you even call the Pope a Zionist. What a self-deluded fool!
I do not wish to have any further "discussion" with you!!!
It’s not Ahmadinejad who is “spicing up the holocaust”, but Mary Rizzo, who has spicing up Israeli hate propaganda against Dr. Ahmadinejad. He is not saying something different than what Nahida and others have said in the past or the Torah Jews are saying about Israel and the “Six Million Died” narrative. Even if Ahmadinejad stop questioning the Zionist narrative of the ‘holocaust’ and stop calling the removal of racist Zionist regime – the Israelis would find some other excuse to demonize Ahmadinejad. It’s not Ahmadinejad whom the Zionist mafia hate – but Islam – as Israeli Professor Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi confirmed in his famous book The Israeli Connection and Jonathan Marshall’s The Iran Contra Connection.
YES – Don’t ever get foold by Israeli propaganda that Israel is a ‘Jewish State’. In fact it is a Racist Marxist State.
The “Holocaust” – Myths and Facts
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/the-holocaust-myths-and-facts/
Shaukat,
Mary Rizzo is a Dr. as well. A Dr. of propaganda.
Are you a Muslim!?
James – Dare to open the link and find out : I AM WHAT I AM
Shaukat, I believe the elephant is fed by adding more spice of Ahmadinejad. As long as it is there, as long as we are spending much energy THERE, the rest WILL be ignored and downplayed. Whether or not he keeps or changes his position, whether or not any of his views are shared by others or are his and his alone, the actual fact that his latest TWO major speeches mentioned Gaza and NOT the Holocaust, but all that is being shouted about by people (either for or against "him") is his stance on the Holocaust. Doing this, it shoves Gaza and the other recent atrocities in the trashbin… and how unfortunate that the timing is the release of the Goldstone Commission Report…
Israel is against anything that is not all for Israel.
Mary, If you read my post with open mind you will find all the answers tours and other paranoids of Ahmadinejad or the Islamic revolutionary spirit controlling the Iranian society.
It doesn't matter if and if Ahmadinejad had "missed" to ignite the flame under Zionists' holocaust number myth or stop calling the destruction of Zionist-regime (as may have been translated by Israeli MEMRI) – the reality which every bigot want to ignore that it is the Iran's Spiritual Leader, Ayatullah Khameini, who has the authority to change the course of events and foreign policy of Islamic Iran. and if ever he decided to accept Zionists' view of the Middle East – as Lebanese Sunni alim warned: The day Iran is defeated, the entire Arab world would be occupied by the Zionist entity."
As Gilad Atzmon wrote on October 15 – Ahmadinejad is one the the three world leaders who have the guts to stand up to Zionists' deception. However, he forgot to mention that Ahmadinejad is fhe one who lead the way.
Without the destroying the "Six Million Died" mantra – Israel will never be defeated.
Mary Rizzo….
You do a disservice to the local 'community' by allowing these ZioNazi's a 'forum' for the posting of their racist venom.
These arrogant incorrigibles control the US media. Let them write to 'Commentary Magazine,' US News & World report, Time, Newsweek, et. al.
Give us a break, Momma!
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
Pssst, we boil ZioNazi's, claims jumpers, horse/cattle rustlers, in virgin olive oil here in the West – cheap!
$20.00 pesos a whole 'jug' – last you util the next olive crop in Jenin.
AZ cowboy, you are right, been too busy to weed through and read everything, so I let it go through and hope that it is either ignored or handled appropriately by the others. Sorry!
Shaukat, I did read with an open mind, and please, allow me to dissent with a few things: 1) I never campaigned as a Jewess, and deciding to give me an ethnic component in order to put a frame around my writing I find unnecessary. I do not follow any religion, and it's reductive to call me that.
2) There are several world leaders who say a lot of things against the Zionists, and… so? Does that make them then qualified to be right about everything? Besides, the translations were not from MEMRI, but were the official ones available, which I am sure had been vetted by experts who are not Zionists.
3) Israel can surely be defeated without always bringing out the entire story and narrative of the Jews! This is the point, the only thing that seems to interest everyone but the Palestinians is the Holocaust stuff. While the Palestinians are more interested in getting their own information out, and TIRED of the Holocaust.
4) please let me know of any Palestinian writer (perhaps 'Alloush?) who is focussed on the Holocaust as the major instrument of liberation. Just one will do, and I will be able to make up my mind if this is something imposed on them from outside, or a campaign that really interests them.
5) Of course it matters if Ahmadinejad is not even bringing up the Holocaust anymore! Why pretend that this change is not significant and perhaps important.
http://vho.org/dl/ENG/loth.pdf
1.3. Since When Do We Know about the Holocaust?
[…]
but rather that is was based on the assumption that all Jews believed to be in the sway of the Reich were threatened by extermination.
There is, however, an argument against this theory in the form of a quotation dating from the year 1936,
a time when Hitler reigned only over the Jews who were then living in Germany and when no one could as yet predict the war and Germany’s initial victories.
At that time there was a hearing organized by the Peel-Commission,
which was envisioning the partition of Palestine.
Chaim Weizmann, then President of the Zionist world organization,
appeared before the Commission and asserted that 6 million Jews were living in Europe as if in a prison and were regarded as undesirable.28
[…]
but then this is no argument for giving the Jews part of Palestine,
and that was after all the background of Weizmann’s statements before the Peel-Commission.
If the oppression of the Jews in the Soviet Union had been sufficient grounds for conceding them a section of Palestine – i.e. to take it away from the Arabs living there – what could the other peoples of the Soviet Union have claimed for themselves,
the Christians, Muslims, Ukrainians, Germans, Georgians, Armenians, Uzbeks, Tadjiks, Mongols, and countless others?
Another part of Palestine? Or other parts of the Arab world?
The fact of the matter is that Weizmann was using this impressive figure of 6 million suffering and oppressed Jews in his effort to reach a political goal, a Zionist goal.
We also know that, at that time, he failed.
[…]
New York Times, Jan. 14, 1915, p. 3: “In the world today there are about 13,000,000 Jews,
of whom more than 6,000,000 are in the heart of the war zone;
Jews whose lives are at stake and who today are subjected to every manner of suffering and sorrow […].”
But let us go one step further back. In 1900, Rabbi Stephen Wise made the following statement before Jewish welfare organizations in the USA:33
“there are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism.”
L: It would seem that we are dealing with a constant in Jewish suffering, the figure of 6 million.
R: There is a specific reason for that. Benjamin Blech tells about an ancient Jewish prophecy,
promising the Jews the return to the Promised Land after the loss of six million of their people.34
L: The passages you quoted would indicate that Jewish sufferings were useful to various Jewish leaders as an argument to bring about that very aim – the return to the Promised Land.
R: Quite so. We must not forget that Palestine had been promised to the Zionists in the Balfour Declaration by England during the First World War. That was,
no doubt, a major reason for the holocaust propaganda during and after the First World War.
All, What is the Jewish Definition used for Six Million decisions?
1. Ultra-Orthodox Orthodox Conservative
2. Reform Progressive Liberal Reconstructionist
3. Nazis
4. USSR
5. Another
Forgive me for jumping in on this matter. I do not understand how this statement can be true at the end of the day, "Without the destroying the "Six Million Died" mantra – Israel will never be defeated" Given this logic, if I am understanding correctly, in order to get people to understand they have been suckered, they have to prove to them they have been suckered (into supporting the Zionists)-
Yesterday my 7th grade daughter brought home a permission slip requesting a signature and $38 for the class field trip to the Los Angeles Museum of Tolerance. Ok, go to the website and find out admissions for students done like this are FREE. So what's the $38 for? The bus? Hopefully it is because the website states admission is FREE but donations are welcomed.
Now, needless to say I have been put in a position (I'm neither Palestinian or Jewish) of having to "de-program" my child BEFORE she is exposed to programming. I said to her, "Maddie, I'm really concerned about what you are going to be 'taught' on this field trip. I am most concerned that you are going to be 'taught' that Israel rose out of the ashes of the Holocaust which you have been learning about. First off, the Zionist movement to return to 'Israel' pre-dated the Holocaust. But what is more important, and this is what I want to teach you as a value more than anything else in life, you cannot take one man's suffering to justify the intentional harming of another, it's just not logical, nor is it a moral thing to do."
She has been exposed to the truth for years, but as a 12 year old gets confused between the different parties sometimes. In fact, when her class started this unit she asked me, "Is it the Jews you don't like?"
This was a most certain "teachable moment" because already her lessons at school are teaching her to conflate the Holocaust/Judaism and Zionism all into one package when they most certainly are not.
I follow the "keep it simple" mantra whenever possible. Personally, I do not think that thinking one has to burst the "Holocaust myth" (if such a thing exists) is counter-productive. It is a much stronger moral argument to make that the Holocaust does not justify the Nakba. It is the NAKBA that people are unaware of for the most part, not the Holocaust. So for me, and this is just my personal opinion since education is always my focus, educating the public to the tragedy that they might not even know occurred since the "Zionists made the desert bloom in a land barren of people" is more worthy of attention for the cause of the Palestinian people TODAY. They didn't get to be miserable as a people (their conditions) overnight. There was a REASON for this, Zionists and their supporters doing the immoral, illegal, and unimaginable, taking one suffering, then turning around and lying about the existence of a PEOPLE who were dispossessed of their lands and human dignity. When you point out what this movement called Zionism has actually DONE, then there is hope that minds will wake up and understand they have been duped.
(besides that, the major supporters in the US-the Christian Zionist movement don't use only the Holocaust to justify their support of Israel, they use GOD-try undoing that thought process with lessening the numbers dead in the Holocaust, GOOD LUCK-pointing to their hypocrisy is a much more valid universal truth)
Hope I made sense, again, it is only opinion- (now I get to figure out what that $38 is for, wish me luck, because I don't want to donate one red cent to that museum of propaganda)
Another short note just to clarify, when my daughter asked "is it the Jews you don't like?" FULL STOP, her Holocaust unit at school is conflating Judaism with Zionism-teaching in most PROFOUND manner that antisemitism is wrong and THEN teaching that the answer is "Israel". OMG, that's all I need, my daughter going to school and saying, "My mother doesn't like Jews", FULL STOP AGAIN. Do you realize how early this starts in our SCHOOLS? This Museum of Tolerance and the textbook writers have done their jobs well, what they have NOT taught is the Nakba. Even a child can understand the logic that the Holocaust no matter WHAT it was, should not be used in a way to justify what was done to create Israel and what is still going on every second.
There is so much to be undone in what people use as understanding to support Zionism. Focus on Palestinians. They are here, they are breathing, suffering, dying, and this is NOW.
Robin says: (besides that, the major supporters in the US-the Christian Zionist movement don't use only the Holocaust to justify their support of Israel, they use GOD-try undoing that thought process with lessening the numbers dead in the Holocaust, GOOD LUCK-pointing to their hypocrisy is a much more valid universal truth)
Hope I made sense
No, you didn't!
This is not true. The Christian Zionist movement does not use the Holocaust to justify their support of Israel. Their support of Israel is based on their theology and religious tenets. I suggest you search Google for such information. There are many articles, theological in content, from which you can learn why their support of Israel is inevitable.
I am a Christian Maronite, I am not a Christian Zionist, but I do support Israel because of what Arabs had done to my people ever since Arabs invaded the Near East up till now. Shia Arabs our main enemies. Arabs are racist who cannot tolerate the existence of other peoples, especially on land they once captured.
Can you tell me, why in the world, Arabs/Muslims claim that South Spain belong to them? Just because they once occupied it. They are not natives. They are not originated from there, so why make such a claim, which I am sure, are going to involve violence in the future, when the number of Muslims in Europe increase significantly.
James, that is what I said, they use God to support Israel/Zionism. Please reread, I was saying that even if you were able to prove the entire Holocaust narrative as we know it untrue, that would not work to undo Christian Zionist support of Israel which is based on God/theology. The Holocaust is used in addition by some Christian Zionists who believe it was foretold in the Bible.
James, I lived in your country, Lebanon, correct? End of March 1975-September 1975. It wasn't any fun whatsoever when we went through a Maronite checkpoint (my in laws were Muslim, all women except for the driver, and myself Christian). We had guns pointed in the car at us, the driver was taken out and a shakedown for cash took place. So please don't tell me that you Marronites are any better than what you claim the Muslims to be. None of us knew in that car if we were going to be killed or not, women James, a car full of women, with a boy no more than 14 holding a machine gun on us with our lives in his hands. You have the nerve to say you support Israel because of what the Arabs have done to the Maronites? That is the biggest laugh I've heard in a long time when it comes to Lebanon. I suppose you thought Sabra and Shatilla was justified as well.
Re: To hell and back – my trip to Eretz Ysriol in 1949.
I was a stupid 10 year old kid. It all started when an old man in a park saw my 'Israel' tee. he looked an me and said: "Son, I am an old man but there's something you must never forget – 'Watch out for the Jews!"
That summer I was accepted at my school to visit Israel to plant olive trees, and it was a thrill to me because this was the land of Goliath, David the sling-shot delinquent and fornicatiing king of Israel,' Jericho and the towers that came crashing down and other Bible 'fables' that had been read to me as a 'knee-high to a grasshopper kid that I was. We were gone for three weeks and were 'spoon fed' all the 'regular' propaganda about 'a people without land for a land without people and I swallowed the BS!
Through elementry and high school I was always raising funds (Jewish tin cupper, I now call them) for the Jews. At the university I majored in areospace engineering because I had always loved airplanes and wanted to become a pilot.
In 1972 I received my wings, whooppee! I trained on the F-104C Starfighter and loved what I did – kill! Kill! Kill! (yes, like I said I was a stupid kid back then). In 1980 I had the opportunity to go to Israel and train Jewish fighter pilots and show them how to 'Fly – Fight & Win! Loved the Jews, loved their food, loved the excitement, and especially the big bosomed Jewish women too!!!. But, in 1982 the Jews invaded Lebanon and I was informed how 'my' pilots' had became cluster-bomb killers of women and children, bombers of hospitals, clinics, orphanages, schools and I 'fell out of love' with these Jewish rats!
Now, as an old man when I see these 'foolish' kids being given 'Israel' tees and invited to visit Israel – for free! I say to them 'watch out for the Jewish killers' – they are not what they appear to be.
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
Robin says: You have the nerve to say you support Israel because of what the Arabs have done to the Maronites? That is the biggest laugh I've heard in a long time when it comes to Lebanon. I suppose you thought Sabra and Shatilla was justified as well.
I am not asking you who I should support!!!
No, I don't think what happened in Sabra and Shatilla is justified, though other nationalist Maronites may think otherwise. These are unchristian acts which I condemn. Christ's teachings is love. Nothing can justify the killing of innocent people. This is like the murderous Muslim and Palestinian suicide-bombers. Nothing can justify their evil killing and maiming of innocent Israelis.
TheAZCowBoy,
Listen American rat,
There was an article in this forum summarizing the genocide perpetrated by your country in Iraq.
I especially remember the number of death which amounts to 2,500,000, rapes of women and children by British and American soldiers, hundreds of thousands of displaced people, prostitution, a very high rate of Aids introduced to Iraq by American rats like you, thefts, destruction of cultures, museums, property, orphans, and the list is long and horrific. And all this for the sake of oil. And when Americans go home the carnage will only start. So, please, look very carefully at you back, and see how dirty it is, you filthy douche-bag!
James,
For some reason I think you may be barking up the wrong tree with what you wrote above concerning Iraq. There are some people who can think in more than singular simplistic terms such as yourself.
Can you possibly see the contradiction between these two positions you hold:
"No, I don't think what happened in Sabra and Shatilla is justified, though other nationalist Maronites may think otherwise. These are unchristian acts which I condemn."
and this one:
"I am a Christian Maronite, I am not a Christian Zionist, but I do support Israel because of what Arabs had done to my people ever since Arabs invaded the Near East up till now. Shia Arabs our main enemies".
On one hand you do not support an "unChristian act" (Sabra Shatilla) and on the other hand you support something that was done to Palestinian Sunni Muslims and CHRISTIAN Palestinians by Israel.
I'm trying to figure out your logic.
Be sure Zionist Jews will keep the Holocaust alive and will make sure that there are survivors toward the end of this century and next, reminding us of some surviving Jew somewhere in the world. I will not be surprised if the Jewish generation of the Holocaust will live as long as David ( some say he lived close to a 1000 years). The Zionist will never kill the cash cow and will always find ways to seek financial payments from some one. I will not be surprised if Israel and Zionists will sue the Arab Gulf countries for their role in the Holocaust to fleece them of what ever money is left after being fleeced by their cousins on Wall Street. And I am sure the American government will appoint a high ranking under-secretary to pursue and help Israeli claims for compensation. I wonder how much the Palestinian Arabs should get in compensation from Zionist Jews for stealing an entire country. I am also sure the PLO never even thought that there is a chance to sue for recovery of Palestinian properties similar to what the Jews did when they recovered their properties confiscated by Nazis and by the Communists.
Re: Response to Jimmy's post of October 18th.
Oh Jimmy, you sre such a retard!!!!!!
I have over 18,000 emails that have been sent to my 2-AZ senators, the Pentagon, the White house and all members of the Bush crime syndicate over the past 8 years (Bushm Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, et. al) regarding AmeriKKKa's genocidal wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Palestine, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, Grenada, Chile, Bolivia, Venezuela, Ecuador and the US financed Alvaro Uribe government of Colombia.
Pssst, glad you're on my team, anywho!
But, really – You're too late 'Pilgrim.'
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ
AKA:
Col. David S (USAF – Ret'd)
Call name: 'Cowboy'
F-104C, F-15E, F-16C qualified
17 MiG's, 9 Air medals *
* While you were learning to walk, LOL!
162nd figher Interceptor Sqd.
Davis-Monthan, AFB, AZ.
Shaukat: "YES – Don’t ever get foold by Israeli propaganda that Israel is a ‘Jewish State’. In fact it is a Racist Marxist State."
I would question whether there is or can be a 'Marxist State'. But, even if such a thing is possible, what is 'Marxist' about Israel?
Is being 'Marxist' bad!?
If yes, then everything about Israel is 'Marxist.'
Shaukat cares very little about factuality. His on-line life is a huge stack of lies layer on top of each other to produce a fairy-tales book for the common Muslim retard!
We were chosen by the extraterrestrials who moulded us in their image by selective breeding to hold the rings of destiny and control the common man. Suck it up.
Yoo-ho-ooooo
Hey, Maria Rizzo – time to (((flush)))) this page into the 'escusado (toilet), si?
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.