Comments on: cartoon of the day http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/24/cartoon-of-the-day-126/ Free Minds for a Free Palestine Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:34:06 +0300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Mary Rizzo http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/24/cartoon-of-the-day-126/#comment-11923 Mary Rizzo Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:59:25 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=4571#comment-11923 Noa, I would really appreciate a nice scan of this map! If you could do that I would be very grateful. Thanks so much so far for all your help. Noa, I would really appreciate a nice scan of this map! If you could do that I would be very grateful. Thanks so much so far for all your help.

]]> By: Noa http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/24/cartoon-of-the-day-126/#comment-11922 Noa Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:18:54 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=4571#comment-11922 The book was first published in the 50's. It was the first of 12 volumes - the others had titles such as "Atlas Carta for 2nd Temple, Mishna & Thalmud era", "Atlas Carta for the History of Jewish Nation in the Middle Ages", "Atlas Carta for the History of Jewish Nation in the Early Modren Period" etc. These books were specialized in maps - in fact they were mainly maps. That's why they were called "Atlas". The author "got it" from the graphic designer who designed these books - or in fact, the graphic designer made it according to the authors instructions. The editor of the Biblical era book was Yohanan Aharony, a known archeologists. The style of all maps was identical - anyone familiar with these books would recognized it. I could search at home - I believe I have this atlas - and scan you some maps of it if you wish. The texts across the white part say "Land of Israel", "land of the 9 tribes" &"the 2 and 1/2 tribes". It is also written "Sinai Desert" where Sinai Desert is, and Edom, Moab and Amon where these nations sat. The text on the sea says "the Great Sea", and the texts on red says Egypt, Arabian Desert, Babylon & Aram-Naharaim (=Aram of the 2 rivers). The date of your image bank might be 2005 - because that's when it was scaned and "published" in the internet. The Biblical era book was also translated into at least 10 languages. That's why you might saw that it was published in 2006. It might have been a new eddition or a translation into a new language. In Israel it was first published in 1950's. You could find it in english, as It is sold in Amazon - I believe that's the one http://www.amazon.com/Carta-Bible-Atlas-Yohanan-Aharoni/dp/9652204870 Though the design of the maps might look different in English - maybe more modern. I didn't see the inside of it. The book was first published in the 50's. It was the first of 12 volumes – the others had titles such as "Atlas Carta for 2nd Temple, Mishna & Thalmud era", "Atlas Carta for the History of Jewish Nation in the Middle Ages", "Atlas Carta for the History of Jewish Nation in the Early Modren Period" etc.
These books were specialized in maps – in fact they were mainly maps. That's why they were called "Atlas".
The author "got it" from the graphic designer who designed these books – or in fact, the graphic designer made it according to the authors instructions. The editor of the Biblical era book was Yohanan Aharony, a known archeologists.
The style of all maps was identical – anyone familiar with these books would recognized it. I could search at home – I believe I have this atlas – and scan you some maps of it if you wish.
The texts across the white part say "Land of Israel", "land of the 9 tribes" &"the 2 and 1/2 tribes".
It is also written "Sinai Desert" where Sinai Desert is, and Edom, Moab and Amon where these nations sat.
The text on the sea says "the Great Sea", and the texts on red says Egypt, Arabian Desert, Babylon & Aram-Naharaim (=Aram of the 2 rivers).

The date of your image bank might be 2005 – because that's when it was scaned and "published" in the internet. The Biblical era book was also translated into at least 10 languages. That's why you might saw that it was published in 2006. It might have been a new eddition or a translation into a new language. In Israel it was first published in 1950's.

You could find it in english, as It is sold in Amazon – I believe that's the one
http://www.amazon.com/Carta-Bible-Atlas-Yohanan-Aharoni/dp/9652204870
Though the design of the maps might look different in English – maybe more modern. I didn't see the inside of it.

]]> By: Mary Rizzo http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/24/cartoon-of-the-day-126/#comment-11920 Mary Rizzo Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:36:55 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=4571#comment-11920 Noa, it very may well have been published in the book, but I have the date of my image bank in 2005. The book was published in 2006. Where did the author get the map from? What are the words written across the entire white space? The biblical quote from Numbers surely could have corroborated a Zionist text! Noa, it very may well have been published in the book, but I have the date of my image bank in 2005. The book was published in 2006. Where did the author get the map from? What are the words written across the entire white space? The biblical quote from Numbers surely could have corroborated a Zionist text!

]]> By: Noa http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/24/cartoon-of-the-day-126/#comment-11916 Noa Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:49:48 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=4571#comment-11916 Please ignore the last sentence. I forgot to delete it before I pressed "submit". Please ignore the last sentence. I forgot to delete it before I pressed "submit".

]]> By: Noa http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/24/cartoon-of-the-day-126/#comment-11915 Noa Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:48:47 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=4571#comment-11915 Sorry to dissapoint you. This map was taken from the Carta Atlas for the Biblical Era, and the title is "Masa'ei (=journeys) borders - The tribes colonization borders" - as described in Masa'ei chapter in the Hebrew Bible. The text underneath is phrases from Numbers 34. "...this shall be the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan according to the borders thereof...'This is the land wherein ye shall receive inheritance by lot...to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half-tribe...the two tribes and the half-tribe have received their inheritance beyond the Jordan at Jericho eastward, toward the sun-rising". The whole text is here. http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0434.htm The map shows were they sat, on the left part of it. That's it. Saying "It is the map used by the early Zionists to show where "Israel" should be" - is equivalent to getting a map of the Roman empire, with the title "The Roman Empire under Trajan in 117 AD" and saying "I've found this map in the internet, but I don't read Italian, so I decide that these are the borders that Italians today want. this map doesn't show anything. It was taken from "Atlas Carta for the biblical period", and shows the Sorry to dissapoint you.
This map was taken from the Carta Atlas for the Biblical Era, and the title is "Masa'ei (=journeys) borders – The tribes colonization borders" – as described in Masa'ei chapter in the Hebrew Bible.
The text underneath is phrases from Numbers 34.
"…this shall be the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan according to the borders thereof…'This is the land wherein ye shall receive inheritance by lot…to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half-tribe…the two tribes and the half-tribe have received their inheritance beyond the Jordan at Jericho eastward, toward the sun-rising".
The whole text is here.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0434.htm
The map shows were they sat, on the left part of it.
That's it.

Saying "It is the map used by the early Zionists to show where "Israel" should be" – is equivalent to getting a map of the Roman empire, with the title "The Roman Empire under Trajan in 117 AD" and saying "I've found this map in the internet, but I don't read Italian, so I decide that these are the borders that Italians today want.

this map doesn't show anything. It was taken from "Atlas Carta for the biblical period", and shows the

]]> By: The Saker http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/24/cartoon-of-the-day-126/#comment-11911 The Saker Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:31:19 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=4571#comment-11911 Hi Mary! Please let us know if Tlaxcala translates this map. Amazing stuff, and it essentially shows the same thing as the Israeli flag (the two blue lines are the two rivers). Cheers! The Saker Hi Mary!

Please let us know if Tlaxcala translates this map. Amazing stuff, and it essentially shows the same thing as the Israeli flag (the two blue lines are the two rivers). Cheers!

The Saker

]]> By: Mary Rizzo http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/24/cartoon-of-the-day-126/#comment-11909 Mary Rizzo Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:45:13 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=4571#comment-11909 Dear Saker... I wish I had a High Resolution picture! Tlaxcala also wants to translate it. I had it here in my photo archives, and while looking for a copy after a request for a bigger one, found this. Larger and with a caption. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/01/history-of-israel.html I don't know where mine came from since I get loads of things sent to me and if they look interesting, I file them away and depend on my memory to do the rest! I don't recall who sent it to me, but in my images bank it was sent back in 2005, and I have no more emails from that date.. so can't even trace it! Dear Saker… I wish I had a High Resolution picture! Tlaxcala also wants to translate it. I had it here in my photo archives, and while looking for a copy after a request for a bigger one, found this. Larger and with a caption.
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/01/history-of-israel.html

I don't know where mine came from since I get loads of things sent to me and if they look interesting, I file them away and depend on my memory to do the rest! I don't recall who sent it to me, but in my images bank it was sent back in 2005, and I have no more emails from that date.. so can't even trace it!

]]> By: The Saker http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/24/cartoon-of-the-day-126/#comment-11902 The Saker Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:59:59 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=4571#comment-11902 Dear Mary, Could you please post a high resolution picture of this map and indicate the exact source? Thanks, VS Dear Mary,

Could you please post a high resolution picture of this map and indicate the exact source?

Thanks,

VS

]]> By: Han http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/09/24/cartoon-of-the-day-126/#comment-11893 Han Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:00:55 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=4571#comment-11893 I always put it like this: Suppose... [Of course it depends on which country my audience is coming from, lets use Great Britain for instance.] ... that Russia wanted to compensate the native indians from the USA for their loss of lives in the time of the US occupation and it would give away the country of Great Britain, a logical choice since so many people from the US come from that country. So all the Britains are forced to live in the west section of Wales or in Eire, and since Britisch terrorist kept on fighting the peace loving Native indians it supports them with a massive budget to buy weapons which they regularly use to fight the terrorists... It's just a story you know. But however rediculous it is, you'll see the audience go like "No way! I'd never want to give up my house and land like that!" They understand the palestinian feelings all of the sudden. I always put it like this:
Suppose… [Of course it depends on which country my audience is coming from, lets use Great Britain for instance.] … that Russia wanted to compensate the native indians from the USA for their loss of lives in the time of the US occupation and it would give away the country of Great Britain, a logical choice since so many people from the US come from that country. So all the Britains are forced to live in the west section of Wales or in Eire, and since Britisch terrorist kept on fighting the peace loving Native indians it supports them with a massive budget to buy weapons which they regularly use to fight the terrorists…

It's just a story you know. But however rediculous it is, you'll see the audience go like "No way! I'd never want to give up my house and land like that!" They understand the palestinian feelings all of the sudden.

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