Impostors them nothing less. Paving for the day when The Ultimate Impostor will arrive to bring them
back to the "Golden Age". They wil claim : See how the land is Israel, rich, powerful, cultivated, filled once again with 'jews', with advance technology not to mention in its military and nuclear might. Is it not a sign? Why should it not be the centre of world governance and leading the rest of humanity?

The source is getting lower by the hour and the time is near for them to face their evil deeds.

Most of my friends here, Muslim, Christian, and Jewish, just giggle about the kind of discourse you folks (especially Fallisi) are engaging in. Progressives in Palestine/Israel are busy trying to build a life together while we also work towards justice. Help us out a bit. Not only by demonstrating and writing to your political representatives. How about in addition to boycotting Israeli products you also are BUYING products from Palestinian companies, and carefully selected Palestine/Israel joint venture products and services. In addition to Divesting from the bad guys, How about INVESTING in appropriate companies here? There are some you know.

Above all, avoid this 'good Jew' 'bad Jew' discourse that stains this web page. If most Palestinians over here can differentiate between a Jew, a Zionist, and an Israeli then so should y'all. And Ms. Shepherd, to call a 3,000+ year-old tradition a 'cult' certainly doesn't help.

Many people are busy with being anti-Zionist. But what are you 'pro'? What are you for? In South Africa there was a vision we all supported of creating a democracy, and country of equality and opportunity for all it's citizens. The ANC was more pro-democracy than it was anti-Apartheid. If we tore down the 'Zionist Entity' tomorrow, I'm damned sure there would be less democracy here than we have now. This country is full of extreme elements, Jewish and Muslim. Religious nationalism on both sides has grown in recent years and it's going to get worse before it gets better. the Zionist regime is bad, very bad. However a full blown Jewish or Islamic religious state or fascist regime would be a lot worse – and it might go there. If it does God help us all in Palestine/Israel

* My poor English don't allow me to properly define your comment. For sure it's shameful. In fact you say – as through your voice were speaking all "progressive" and "realistic" good-polite Palestinians – that the present Zionsit-TALMUDIC Jewish tyranny over stolen Palestine (since 61 years!… black record) all in all is the Leibnizian world, compared to what could be a terrible, "extremist", "Muslim" one – yes, of course not a "Jewish" (ultraracist) one, since this last one is already perfectly operating there. I don't know if you're yourself a Palestinian. In any case your voice is a voice very likely to disgusting people like Abu Mazen and other Fatah collaborators. You're "progressive"… yes yes, no doubt… You've even the courage to ask why we in Europe or in the rest of the world don't make campaigns to buying Palestinian products and not only these so unpolite and politically uncorrect boycott campaigns against the evil entity!… oh, what a naïve "progressive" guy!… and tell me my dear: how do you think that it could be possible to REALLY do that in/for occupied and controlled Palestine by Zionist-Jewish-Talmudic racist predators? Do you think that they would freely allow a growing Palestinian autonomous economy?… ah yes?… GOODBYE to you too. At least in my mind, honest Palestinians DON'T need people like you.

Joe Fallisi
(flespa@tiscali.it
http://www.nelvento.net)

We also don't know that well what happened to an nonhebraic melange of peoples {a hundred or so} with mosheic or talmudic/mishnahic cults.

What the cultitsts or defenders of the euro-asians cultists say happened to these cultist in europe appears as an attempt to portray these dangerous cultists as perpetual victims but omit the fact that mosheic laws teach them to be masters whereever they are.

And that's how they behaved. Nobody cld stand koreshi nor jones' cult. Cultists do not obey laws nor follow moral precepts of the goyim. And what they do to pal'ns and lebanese proves it.

A religion to earn that label, must not only be henoistic but also gladhand opinions of other pious people; else we have eterne discords; cultish warfare, robbery of land, expulsion, and many other wrongs.
tnx
The person who punishes with death a person who thinks otherways from her/his is a danger to al of us and self. Islam, mosheism, and christianiy do that to this day or hire other people to that for them!

WELL SAID Isabella

Thank you very much

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With all due respect, it was European Jews that kicked out Palestinians from Palestine, stole it and renamed it and they were helped by Britain to do it.

History has also showed us that it was the immigrated European jews (seculars that didnt care much about God) that caused Palestinians all this grief and injustice. What European Christians did to European jews do not justify what European jews did to the Palestinian people. If European jews have problems with what the Christian Europe did then they should seek justice from them, not on our expence.

I dont see how this is between two people when one of the so called people are people from all over the world that have been indoctrinated by zionism thinking they are all the same people when they dont even share any ethnic bound. Had i been a jew, i would never in my life have participated in the zionist project in any way, i would have stayed loyal to my native country as well as my religion and if my native country misstreated me then i would have sought refugee somewhere without participating in theft or being a burden on the native people in any way and once the misstreatment in my native country had ended then i would have returned to it, i would never have done what zionism has caused many jews to do.

Had it not been for zionism then i would have felt more close to a religious jew than i would have felt to a non-religious Muslim. I read the torah sometimes, i even have it in my mobile. But zionism makes it impossible for this Palestinian Muslim/Christian vs Jewish friendship to become widespread and common like it should have been had it not been for zionism.

This mess was caused by zionists and at the end up the day there is nobody that can bring justice and heal the pain like God can, i put my faith in him.

Izabella also wrote:
"You keep saying Israel and Palestine but Israel is Palestine to the Palestinian people."
This is the heart of the matter. Two peoples claiming the same turf. Just as South Africa was claimed by both the Blacks and the colonial Whites. They ended up sharing the land in a democracy. So shall we – Inshalla.

You keep saying Israel and Palestine but Israel is Palestine to the Palestinian people.

There are similarities in history but not in the current struggle of today.

As for not owning the country, i disagree completly, just try taking Italy from the Italian people and see if they will agree that the country doesnt belong to them, try doing it with any people and see if they will agree with you. Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people, not to the israeli state, the PLO or any other political party. Political rights can be gain in many places in the world even if ur not a native of that land but this struggle is not simply about gaining political rights, its about the right to have your homeland, the right to your identity, the right to consider your homeland as your home, the right to feel culturally at home, where people will share your history, culture, accent etc. If you yourself havent lost this then you will not understand the value of it either, it is easy to take it for granted when if you havent lost it.

Much of the world ca 1600+ knew very little ab. red people and what really happened in redlands. Those that knew did not care because their kings were doing similarly in afrika and asia.

Today, an enormous number of people do care; probably 6nb +, severely condemn christo-talmudic crowd of cultists because these cultitsts, unlike those in reddlands who were slaughtering only "injuns", want to subjugate, slaughter, enslave a multitude of 6bn+ people.
tnx

Nobody owns the state – any state. Italians do not own teh state of Italy. You have political rights there. Similarly nobody 'owns' Palestine or Israel. The current Zionist regime has given Jews more rights here than local Muslims or Christians. This too shall pass. . . . . just as Apartheid went into the dustbin of history.

It is irrelevent if 30 % if the refugees didnt own the actual piece of land they lived on during the ottomans as you claim, they are still the natives and the righful owners of Palestine. How many Europeans actually own the land their apartment is built on? Do those that dont own it in the sence that it is their personal belonging not have a right to their homeland where they originate from? Does your father have to own land in your home country for you to consider it to be your land, is it right to restrict you from living in your own homeland whether if it is in a city or a village that your family isent from because of that? That is crazy to say the least and can not be used as an argument. As being from a country doesnt mean you have to remain on the same small piece of mini-land that your grandfather owned nor does it mean you have to have a grandfather that owned some sort of small land to have a right to live in, move around in and see all of your homeland.

That survey prooves nothing. It is a bunch of questions asking refugees about all these alternative "solutions" instead of the main one which is on the mind of the refugees, it doesnt simply ask "Would you prefer to be given a non-conditional right to return to your homeland with your family and live in the city/village you originate from?" without bringing in hypothetic suggestions which causes the one that answers to choose between situations that arent what is referred to when it comes the ROR.

No survey can ever change/remove the ROR as every family has diffirent situations, the important thing is to make sure the ROR is allowed and the compensation part does not exclude the ROR, after everything the zionazis have made to the Palestinian people, the ROR + compensation for every refugee isent even enough for all the lost years stolen from the Palestinian people. A person can live anywhere in the world but no one has a right to deny him the right to return to his homeland even if he becomes 100 years old, he is allowed to return whenever he likes and a person has a right to move in and out of his homeland and return whenever he likes and can plan for his life in some other country and still have a right to change his mind and return to his homeland and live in any city or village of his homeland, no foreigner modern colonializer has a right to stop him from living in his own homeland nor does he have the right to restrict him from where he can and can not live within his own homeland. A person always has to have the opportunity to be able to return to his native land even if he is given a citizenship somewhere else just like a swedish person can return to his home country even if he has the US citizenship or a Egyptian can return to his home country even if he has the Danish citizenship, yet you want to hinder the Palestinians from having this right.
That is unacceptable regardless of how you try to justify it as it all comes down to denying Palestinians their right.

I don't live in the US and i dont know the position of the native americans on this, it is between them and the US. However their situation is diffirent from the Palestinian one and it is not a relevent comparison.

A more relevant question is why a European jew, Latino jew, Asian jew etc who has no ethnic bound to Palestine is allowed to live there under the pretext that "jews lived here 3000 years ago" and consider the country his homeland (even "israelis" with other passports (possibly the passport of their native country) have this right) while a Palestinian is not allowed to return when it has only been 62 years!

Nobody has a right to mess with the right of return of the Palestinian people to Palestine, regardless of how they try to justify it and beautify it as a "realistic solution" to give it up.

Izabella makes a number of assumptions on my motivations which are not based on anything I wrote. I would be quite happy to see absolute justice here. However I do not believe it is realistic to expect a future that will enable all refugees to return to all their land. At best we will see a recognition of the plight, and a compensation package. Keep in mind also that Ottoman and British records indicate that up to 30% of refugees did not actually own their land but were landed tenants under the Ottomans. The land was actually owned by remote Ottoman aristocrats in Beruit, Damascus, and Istanbul. While compensation is certainly due, the return of the land would still be in doubt under an absolute ROR.

Speaking of hotels on other people's land – perhaps the USA should also be returning all the stolen Native American lands on which are now built cities in which some of you live.

The ROR is important, however political justice here in the land is of equal importance/ In South Africa the Blacks gained political freedom after Apartheid but did not have their lands returned that were stolen by the white colonists. Here too there may be some compromise in the post-Zionist era.

They arent allowing the ROR because they know the Palestinians will come back and become the majority in their own land which is what zionists fear the most.

Dont talk in the name of the refugees, you dont have a right to tell the Palestinians to forget our rights.

Going by your logic, i can expel someone from his land, steal it, build a hotel on it and then simply say "what happened has happened, a hotel is in the place of your home now, simply forget it and give up".

Yet at the same time you dont seem to have a problem with stealing Palestine claiming it belonged to jews thousands of years ago, what are u assuming nothing was built in Palestine for 3000 years!!!!!!!!!!

Such flawed "logic" will never work on the Palestinians so dont try to speak in our name telling us what we want and do not want.

And i repeat what Nahida wrote: "How dare you go back in history 3000 years but refuse to allow us -Palestinians- to go back 60 years!!!!!!"

Indeed, how dare you?

Dont claim ur working for justice when you at the same time consider the ROR as some sort of joke and make fun of it.

Life on hold

My internal clock is shattered into pieces

The forty years of forced exile

Have no record in my book of memories

Chapters of lost titles

Blank sheets; page after page

Unseen pictures with no lines

Mysterious characters with no faces

Images that have neither shape nor colour

Invisible words that have no letters

Nor meanings

A sad story with an unwritten script

*******

Life on hold

Ageing by the day

The head inflamed with grey hair

Swallowed by the dark sea of shame

Having to flee without facing the storm

Shaken by the gales of hurt and pain

With my roots uprooted

A freezing gloomy everlasting winter

Watching over my shoulders

Awaiting my decay

*******

Life on hold

I was seven

I am seven

I will be seven

And I will stay seven

Until the day of my return

The pieces of my shattered clock

Will be put together, that day

And it will start ticking again

The pink and white blossoms of my spring

Will become something more than just a dream

….

The clock never gets turned back "

Fred Schlomka on September 22nd, 2009 at 19:26:

WRONG…WRONG…WRONG

How dare you speak on my behalf and the behalf of the 7 million Palestinian refugees!!!!!

How dare you go back in history 3000 years but refuse to allow us -Palestinians- to go back 60 years!!!!!!

All the offers [actually diktats] have been rejected by pal'n negos. Vote was not needed nor has any pal'n demanded, as far as i know, a vote be taken on acceptance/rejection of any offer.

It only takes a moment's notice that even after more than 60 yrs expelles have not been compesated for their losses.
Which proves that US/Isr do not intend to ever compesate the expellees.

However, if pal'ns wave that away and not just the right of return, that wld be acceptable to me. US is not in mood to compesate its well-chosen enemies. And neither is world jewry or a multiethnicity with a cult.
A cult like mosheic-talmudic, koreshi, of jones' make no peace or any agreement with any other cult or ideology. tnx

Most of my friends here, Muslim, Christian, and Jewish, just giggle about the kind of discourse you folks (especially Fallisi) are engaging in. Progressives in Palestine/Israel are busy trying to build a life together while we also work towards justice. Help us out a bit. Not only by demonstrating and writing to your political representatives. How about in addition to boycotting Israeli products you also are BUYING products from Palestinian companies, and carefully selected Palestine/Israel joint venture products and services. In addition to Divesting from the bad guys, How about INVESTING in appropriate companies here? There are some you know.

Above all, avoid this 'good Jew' 'bad Jew' discourse that stains this web page. If most Palestinians over here can differentiate between a Jew, a Zionist, and an Israeli then so should y'all. And Ms. Shepherd, to call a 3,000+ year-old tradition a 'cult' certainly doesn't help.

Many people are busy with being anti-Zionist. But what are you 'pro'? What are you for? In South Africa there was a vision we all supported of creating a democracy, and country of equality and opportunity for all it's citizens. The ANC was more pro-democracy than it was anti-Apartheid. If we tore down the 'Zionist Entity' tomorrow, I'm damned sure there would be less democracy here than we have now. This country is full of extreme elements, Jewish and Muslim. Religious nationalism on both sides has grown in recent years and it's going to get worse before it gets better. the Zionist regime is bad, very bad. However a full blown Jewish or Islamic religious state or fascist regime would be a lot worse – and it might go there. If it does God help us all in Palestine/Israel

Why I don't know. It's just another stupid cult.