Comments on: Khalid Amayreh – Zionists: We hate you because you are evil, not because you are Jewish

By: Raymond Deane

Raymond Deane — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:03:49 +0000

@Michael –
It's pathetic to see the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem being dragged in once again by his straggling grey hairs. If we're going to cite his attempts to curry favour with the Germans, then we must also remember Yitzhak Shamir, the terrorist who later became Israeli Prime Minister, who went to Berlin to chat up the Nazis and offer the services of Zionist terror gangs in the war against Britain. Then, no doubt, someone else on the other side can be cited. None of this gets us anywhere: the fact is that Zionists occupied and ethnically cleansed Palestinian territories and for 60 years have been slowly but surely – and with the collusion of the West – been building up a quasi-fascist racial state. The rapist and the rapist's victim also have two narratives, but the rapist is the criminal.

By: Sami Jamil Jadallah

Sami Jamil Jadallah — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:19:16 +0000

Fatima, freedom, liberation needs imagination, hope and vision. Yes, no one ever thought that South Africa will ever shed its “Apartheid” but it did and now we have a state where Blacks and White do live, at least as far as the laws are concerned, as equal. I think Jews and Palestinians do need to have imagination, hope and vision and the right to dream and work for a one state solution, where Jews and Arabs can live as equals in a state that is home to both people. I think Israelis are afflicted with a disease or a virus called “Zionism”, and I think we and the world can help them get a cure for this cancer. As for the leadership, the Palestinians leaders are far more corrupt and incompetent than Israeli leaders. The late Rabin was forced to resign because his wife left open a bank account in Washington with a balance of $ 1,800. Olmert was forced to resign because he was taking envelops stuffed with dollars. There are literally tens of thousands of Palestinians officials who stole tens of billions of the people money and none ever faced trial or were forced to resign. Perhaps someone likes to explain to me how key Palestinians leaders became mutli- millionaires, of course while leading and succeeding in our liberation. Yes, why not a Jew as the first president of the new Palestinian state.. Nothing wrong with that.

By: bozh

bozh — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:29:42 +0000

@amos zukerman –
it wld better to call 'zionism' a specific land robbery. left on their own, the euro-asians with the judaic cult wld have not obtained palestine.

and ?all christians may have known that by assiting these cultists in crimes, a people wld be robbed of their land; just ?all christians knew they were robbing redpeople of their land and obtaining last inch of it.

thus, the land robbers, commonly known as zionists have not fooled anyone in the leadership of christian churches or lands/empires.
it may yet turn out that christians have fooled 'zionists'.
to iterate, 'jews', most of who have no connection to zion or shemitic-canaanitic peoples, cld not have achieved anything.

and facts on the ground proves it. they still do not have a country! and why? i say because US and europe do not allow it and not because 97% of all of the 'jews' don't want it and have means to do it!
expect the fourth shoah or one state solution.

By: bozh

bozh — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:02:47 +0000

@asiswhen –
one state is best option, the one that existed for possibly 7-10T yrs. but without ashk'm voelken. they wld probably leave anyhow as most of them have a second passport.

it can be assumed that one day US and europe will lose interest for israel. it is quite probabble that US will establish permament bases in afpak and iraq which wld make israel superfluous. with no more arms or money coming in, euros wld leave israel. or we hope so! tnx

By: ginosz

ginosz — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:24:29 +0000

michael,

you are a pretender. playing around with words. you are not mature but forgotten. you are drying up of ideas. that is why you responded twice. just like netanyahu got elected twice. desperate. desperate like the state of israel. ohh…No 10 ticked you real well.

By: “Los odiamos, sionistas, no porque sean judíos, sino porque representan el Mal” « Contra el New World Order

Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:49:32 +0000

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By: David

David — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:15:24 +0000

As Israel continues its descent into fascism, an update on the Russian thug, Avigdor Lieberman, its new foreign minister.

The Electronic Intifada lists "Some of Avigdor Lieberman's infamous
statements":
http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/people/658.shtml

# In 1998, Lieberman called for the flooding of Egypt by bombing the Aswan Dam in retaliation for Egyptian support for Yasser Arafat.

# In 2001, as Minister of National Infrastructure, Lieberman proposed that the West Bank be divided into four cantons, with no central Palestinian government and no possibility for Palestinians to travel between the cantons.

# In 2002, the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth quoted Lieberman in a Cabinet
meeting saying that the Palestinians should be given an ultimatum that "At 8am we'll bomb all the commercial centers … at noon we'll bomb their gas stations … at two we'll bomb their banks …"

# In 2003, the Israeli daily Haaretz reported that Lieberman called for
thousands of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel to be drowned in the Dead Sea and offered to provide the buses to take them there.

# In May 2004, Lieberman proposed a plan that called for the transfer of Israeli territory with Palestinian populations to the Palestinian Authority. Likewise, Israel would annex the major Jewish settlement blocs on the Palestinian West Bank. If applied, his plan would strip roughly one-third of Israel's Palestinian citizens of their citizenship. A "loyalty test" would be applied to those who desired to remain in Israel. This plan to trade territory with the Palestinian Authority is a revision of Lieberman's earlier calls for the forcible transfer of Palestinian citizens of Israel from their land. Lieberman stated in April
2002 that there was "nothing undemocratic about transfer."

# Also in May 2004, he said that 90 percent of Israel's 1.2 million Palestinian citizens would "have to find a new Arab entity" in which to live beyond Israel's borders. "They have no place here. They can take their bundles and get lost," he said.

# In May 2006, Lieberman called for the killing of Arab members of Knesset who meet with members of the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority.'

Nice.

By: David

David — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:06:00 +0000

Khaled
Good commentary. Take heart. Day by day, it is becoming more obvious that the zionist enterprise in Palestine is in its death throes. It could only be thus. While its Jewish citizens emigrate en masse and immigration is virtually non-existent, Israel is now a pariah state despised everywhere, including, at an increasing rate, the U.S., its only "friend" and benefactor. The handwriting is on the wall. To quote Toynbee: "Israel is an historical anachronism." Inevitably, as De Gaulle predicted following its June, 1967 invasion and occupation of the last 22% of Palestine (as well as Egypt's Sinai, Syria's Golan Heights and Lebanon's Shebaa Farms), "Israel will drown in a sea of Arabs." Palestinians already outnumber Jews between the Jordan River and the Med. Sea. Israel is America's number one geopolitical liability – it sucks its money ($10 million each and everyday), creates enemies of people who want to be its friends and serves no purpose whatsoever. In short, a big piece of you know what on America's shoe that will Inevitably be scraped off.

By: atheo

atheo — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:00:42 +0000

amos zukerman makes a good point that I will try to expand on. The focus on Nazi crimes and "The Holocaust" is a clever Zionist ploy to elevate Nazism's victims above the other victims of history. Indigenous victims are evidently secondary. Obviously once one accepts this frame, Palestinian suffering will never equate. Khalid may want to give this some consideration.

Recently I have begun using the Algeria comparison as a frame through which to view Palestine (will the settlers miss the historic opportunity of a one state solution and wind up exiles?). This frame puts Israelis in the proper light, European settlers rather than perpetual victims.

By: asiswhen

asiswhen — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:45:29 +0000

Fatima, I don't think all Israelis are beyond hope. They appear to be poisoned by zionism, but need the Palestinian antidote. This topic was discussed in depth at the One State conference in Boston, and those videos should be online in a week or two, along with the papers of each speaker. The thing that kept coming up was: how could a two-state solution provide equality for Palestinians inside zionist israel? ..or for justice to Palestinian refugees. Omar Barghouti pointed out that Palestinians are the majority, and should set the agenda. Like Sami said, with Fatah and the PA splitting everyone and validating zionism, it's not effective. Also, re: the PLO and contradictions in international law vs. the One State: the PLO endorsed the One State in 1969.. and I think they still hold a seat at the UN. It was offered that the the PLO could be reclaimed via civil society…

By: amos zukerman

amos zukerman — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:44:32 +0000

For a while now I feel that for Palestine sake it will be better if we drop the shoah connection. Zionism and zionist can be condemned for all eternity on the merits of their acts alone.
There was never a point in time when Zionism was benign as far as the palestinians were concerned. When Hitler was a confused and shell shocked corporal, the zionists were already in the proses of taking Palestine away from its rightful owners.
Zionism, anti semitism, nazism, WW1,WW2, the holocaust, these are all European issues. The rape of Palestine should be seen as part of the atrocious legacy of European colonialist past. The jewish / zionist story require a lengthy deconstruction process before a meaningful discussion is possible. Palestinians cannot wait, languishing under the heavy boot of zionist tyranny, for jews to figure out who they really are, where religion stops and race begins, what is mythology and what are historical realities, and that just for starters.
A fair minded study of history must conclude that zionism would have been assigned to the wast bin of history if it wasn't for the "HOLOCAUST". The zionist offered the "powers" a perfect way out of a nagging problem, at zero cost!!. "Give them Palestine". World Jewry, stunned by the recently revealed horrors, bereft with survivors guilt for not doing enough to save their kin, have turned into a zionist instrument, until that point in history, zionism was marginal, at best, outside east Europe. Once the zionists succeeded in convincing the "powers" that Israel is the solution to the "jewish problem," the palestinian fate was sealed. Never mind the glaring injustice of the U.N partition decision, by rejecting it, as they surly had to,{ just examine the relevant numbers}, they were now fighting the poor survivors of the European ghettos. The zionists played the shoah card brilliantly, it must be said. When it comes to internal jewish debate, the zionist narrative was aggressively enforced. All the while the state of Israel is getting away with murder, and the Palestinian issue is getting obscured. After the 67 war a new phenomena, American made jewish nazis. Today a supporter of rabbi kahana is Israel's foreign minister.
As a palestinian of jewish / European origin, who knows the day to day reality first hand I understand the need to refer to the holocaust, no other example of dehumanizing, demonizing, and consequently "eradicating" the "other" is readily available. When I watch the news, that what I muter, "F****g nazis". It helps my blood pressure. Dose it bring forward the fall of zionism by one day?
After GAZA 2009 we can forget all that. No need for comparing the zionist to anything. They have set new low of bestiality all of their own, and I fear we have seen nothing yet.
The zionist evil should be shown for what it is. It is not nazism, it is not apartheid, yet it bears all the hallmarks of a fascist racist regime. So how do we describe zionism? Who cares? There's no time for academic debate, people are being robbed of their lives right now! Crimes are being committed — the perpetrators should be prosecuted, international law is violated — it should be enforced, and long term? Well, what is the problem, we have a precedent, one person, one vote. If it's so simple, why is it not happening???

By: fatima

fatima — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:17:39 +0000

sami Jamil Jaddallah

I have always wondered about the One state solution and to be honest i never supported it , for the simple reason that israeli officialswill always be horrible and oppressors to the palestinians , so when they will be in one country , the discrimination will continue and get worse, the palestinians will have no other rights except become manual labourers and they will lack services , and their situation will be worse than the Ethiopian community s situation . i simply do not trust Israel to treat the palestinians better than how it treats them Now . My dream is to see the palestinians Free , free to have their own country and own government , laws and all the settlers OUT of the westbank , and then Israel can build the TALLEST thoughest wall on Israeli soil , I will support that very much . Utopia ?may be but i hope it wil happen one day . After all Algeria was a French republic for Decades . i have a stamp that said so .

By: Sami Jamil Jadallah

Sami Jamil Jadallah — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:59:25 +0000

Khalid.. Salam… don’t you think it is time for Abbas-Fayyad to hand over the keys of managing the Jewish Occupation back to Netnyahu-Lieberman? Don’t you think that the Palestinian Authority is nothing more than a management company for the Jewish Occupation, relieving Israeli of all of its legal and financial responsibilities for the people under Occupation? The Palestinian Authority without any power to stop settlements, or remove one single dirt security check or power over an Israeli private, or power to prevent the demolition of a single house is so powerless giving the world the wrong impression that it is negotiating peace and providing direct service to Israel and the Jewish Occupation. I think it is time for all of us to demand the total disbanding of the Palestinian Authority as the civil manager for the Occupation, and the disbanding of the PLO as representative of the Palestinian people. Hamas and Fatah do not represent the more than 6 millions Palestinians in the Diaspora. Time to think out of the box and to put the one state solution as the only thing on the table. I also think we need to take our anti-Zionist message to America since the American Jewish Zionists are the true source of evil and they are the one who are standing in the way of a peaceful solution. I think we as a community have some very serious issues that we need to work out first. Your thoughts.

By: Asiswhen

Asiswhen — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:48:59 +0000

@Mary Rizzo - wow, thx for the background on those whackos. when people start talking nonsense like her, i just scroll down.. actually, that's a good point re: the PR for the One State movement. any infiltrator feigning the rhetoric will only be advancing it.

By: Mary Rizzo

Mary Rizzo — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:06:18 +0000

@asiswhen –

amazing exhibition, isn't it?

But then again, I am not always sure people are fighting for the cause they claim they are. In fact, just the today was talking with a friend about a group maybe you have never heard about, the Spartacus Youth League. When I was in University, my flatmates were in the ISO (a leftist party) and of course, our place was a meeting place for all the political leftists (sometimes from around the country) and we had the habit of getting copies of all the various lefty papers, talking with the people who wanted to join or were in other groups. These SYL were just beyond the beyond. You think you are radical, these ones believe that the revolution is going to happen tomorrow and anyone who doesn't agree is a class enemy and has to be crushed, that kind of thing. Always so far out there they were unreal. That they were plants was clear to many, but not to all. In fact, later on when stuff came out that they were the place the FBI used for infiltration to smoke out leftists in the universities, to find all the various left people, their information, etc… very few were surprised. Sophie reminded my friend and me of that stuff. Now, her WRH complaints sounds like it came straight off a white power ranter, doesn't it? So now he's in her spiderweb too? Why am I not surprised? But she's got her "I ain't no white" banter.. "a woman of colour" she claims, which is her body shield. Anyone can believe it if they want. Just doesn't convince that much given the banter she actually uses.

where is her discourse of Arab Unity? Besides a slogan, I never heard any argumentation of the sort at least in the sorry excuse for discourse that is the contact I've had to have with her. I am not for the Save Darfur campaign, so I am not going to enter into this, I've written posts about it (in my real name) as well as translated a lot of stuff about Sudan, so I probably am well informed enough to make an opinion, but this isn't a thread about Darfur, so I won't get dragged there.

The point is, when someone gets this insulting, personal, OT, aggressive and just plain over the top, they are the Spartacus Youth League of activism in my book, either people who have got a very banal and simplistic idea of what the struggle is and how to do it,, antagonistic to anyone they consider the enemy (other people who want a radical change, what used to be called leftists) or infiltrates. Either one will do, and with this person, I don't know which is which. Either she or he is totally politically and tactically screwed up or this person is using this stance as a cover to gain entrance into good graces of those they think they can expose when the moment comes. The tactics are always the same, "denouncement" the Tazibao of the modern day, the internet forum, and the stalking behaviour and the irate outbursts are just one part of it.

Khalid's paper is important, he makes outstanding points from top to bottom.

By: realistic bird

realistic bird — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:59:10 +0000

@Mary Rizzo –

Thanks Mary

(You're welcome, maybe it will taste better )

take care

By: asiswhen

asiswhen — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:30:20 +0000

nice thread lol.. I agree with Gilad, we're fighting for the same cause and looking at it from many different angles internationally. to me, that's where the discussion is, and figuring out how to move forward. de-zionizing minds is like target practice, but can be a waste of time. people will come around better on their own when they wake up to injustice and the true emancipatory struggle.

By: Mary Rizzo

Mary Rizzo — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:01:28 +0000

@sophie –

TENTH time to say goodbye. JUST GET OUT THEN! Any reputation you may have had is kaputt.
We don't need or want your accusations and presumptuous shit here. You are just a sick and destructive and totally self-absorbed idiotic net stalker

Anyone reading this can just see that it's personal attacks, aspersions and vile insinuations. Steve is bad, I am bad, Khalid is bad, Galloway is bad… hey, i think it's good to be on your bad side, you might want to reflect on that. I've never seen you write any papers on the issues that trouble you…or sign any petition to delist the Hamas.. OH right…. you can't do that with a fake name or anonymously can you? How is that for your credibility and believing anything you say, whatever it is. You have Theodor on your site? might just be a sign for your zio buddies to know it's all in jest.. you are really one of their girls or boys.

That other sites find it worthy to pick up Steve, that he is one of the most loved and respected bloggers about Palestine, and MAINLY that he fails in your eyes are reason to celebrate.

Look, Zionist lady, we are tired of you. Gilad asked you to remove him from your site, because he doesn't want to be associated with your bullshit. I am sure we will just find more attacks from you. Gilad EXPLICITLY said no abuse and you come out with insinuating and hateful abusive posts.

Now, good bye. Next piece of crap you post will be deleted if H, G or me are around when you are doing your ranting.

By: sophie

sophie — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:41:09 +0000

THANKS GILAD: how about allowing me one last post, will you? Here it is:

(the editors of PTT have decided to edit out the vicious attack of our friend and fellow internet activist for Palestine. For anyone reading this now, you will have missed quite a bizarre display of insinuations and pure insult. No one asked us to do this).

DESERT-PIECE

…….
WEB TRAFFIC RANKINGS:

I laughed when this desertpiece was bragging how much higher his traffic ranking were compared to mine. I laugh again! My ratings come directly from my own efforts; which in fact have been no efforts in advertising -none whatsoever in recent months- due to lack of time. A friend introduced me to a site-ranking site called 'alexa' a few months ago. My global ranking was 17 million then, and when I checked recently my 3-month average it was at 3.6 million, which simply means that my site had galloped ahead of 14 million other sites in rankings. What did I do to increase my ranking? Nothing! But watch out! I will be doing what needs to be done to increase my traffic and then time will tell. So now back to desertpiece whose traffic rankings are totally dependent courtesy of another Jew of whatreallyhappened.com. Wrh got there first and he does get good rankings; desertpiece is always featured on whatreallyhapppened.com every day! Hence, his rankings are totally courtesy of whatreallyhappened.com. I must laugh when he dares to compare his rankings that are totally courtesy of whatreallyhappened.com to mine, which are totally dependent on my own efforts. How is that comparing a totally independent person like me to that whose rankings are courtesy of a fellow-Jew? Website rankings are in fact very important to me, I think about them a lot! since my goal is educating the public and I am obsessed about it, I intend to gallop ahead of whatreallyhappened.com within this year! Mark my word! Words are cheap, I must prove it in action.

The one and only answer that I seek of desertpiece is: Who gave him permission to set foot on Arab soil? He will never answer that, because he is a settler, a leech, and an occupier!

The two links below are important. One deals how it came about that I discovered there was this Ashkenazi blogger on Arab soil and the second is about the ‘save darfur’ scam that ‘desertpeace’ is now peddling on behalf of world Jewry.

http://ziomania.com/articles2008/How%20good%20are%20The%20Good%20Jews.htm

http://www.ziomania.com/articles4/Ten%20Reasons%20Why%20-Save%20Darfur-%20%20is%20a%20PR%20Scam.htm

Note: I reject any and all Ashkenazi Jews from setting foot on Arab soil; since they arrived there and continue to arrive there with a White Supremacist attitude towards the people of color of the land!

Note: I would welcome it for you to block me access to this website. Just do it!

SO LONG! GOODBYE! ADIOS!

By: Mary Rizzo

Mary Rizzo — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:33:15 +0000

@realistic bird –

that was EVERYTHING in a nutshell! You got it!

(and forgot to thank you as well for the other suggestions on the desert recipe! I am making it on Saturday, didn't get the orange blossom stuff, but will use cherry extract instead.. it will still be good, i think)