Comments on: Khalid Amayreh – Let the world see Israel's true, ugly face http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/ Free Minds for a Free Palestine Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:10:11 +0300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: xexon http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7792 xexon Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:12:09 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7792 <a href='#comment-7519' rel="nofollow">@Michael</a> - Since the Israelis have an elected a government of their own, are they not going to pay for their mistake just as the same as the Palestinians? This sword cuts both ways. Electing zionist hawks into power is the same thing as electing Hamas into power. They're all worthless radicals who are getting their people killed. Take a hint, they don't care about you. Just power over you. Israel as a racist, aparheid Jewish state must be brought down. Israel must be united. x @Michael –

Since the Israelis have an elected a government of their own, are they not going to pay for their mistake just as the same as the Palestinians? This sword cuts both ways.

Electing zionist hawks into power is the same thing as electing Hamas into power. They're all worthless radicals who are getting their people killed. Take a hint, they don't care about you. Just power over you.

Israel as a racist, aparheid Jewish state must be brought down.

Israel must be united.

x

]]> By: ginosz http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7610 ginosz Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:13:02 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7610 sources? premise? let's make it nice and easy. premise... 1948. state of israel declared. supported by major western powers. arab inhabitants kicked and forced out slowly. 61 years later today, you are not the first zionist jew to play on technicalities in regards to the plight and suffering of palestinian arabs at the hands of zionist jews in occupied palestine. sources? premise? let's make it nice and easy. premise…

1948. state of israel declared. supported by major western powers. arab inhabitants kicked and forced out slowly. 61 years later today, you are not the first zionist jew to play on technicalities in regards to the plight and suffering of palestinian arabs at the hands of zionist jews in occupied palestine.

]]> By: Michael http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7526 Michael Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:27:48 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7526 Khalid's bio at the bottom of the article says that he is a journalist. If this website is a blog, it still doesn't excuse using a false quote. How are people supposed to take you seriously if you don't even cite your sources and uses a well known false quote? What about "Jerusalem"? At least the JPost admits when it makes mistakes. Khalid's bio at the bottom of the article says that he is a journalist. If this website is a blog, it still doesn't excuse using a false quote. How are people supposed to take you seriously if you don't even cite your sources and uses a well known false quote?

What about "Jerusalem"?

At least the JPost admits when it makes mistakes.

]]> By: asiswhen http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7524 asiswhen Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:31:48 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7524 OH, I didn't realize this was a journalism class, I thought it was a blog. If you want to know about the unity of Zionist opinion, take look at Jerusalem. OH, I didn't realize this was a journalism class, I thought it was a blog. If you want to know about the unity of Zionist opinion, take look at Jerusalem.

]]> By: Michael http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7523 Michael Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:26:09 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7523 <a href='#comment-7520' rel="nofollow">@asiswhen</a> - Khalid is trying to describe Zionism. Since Zionists disagree on what Zionism is or what Israeli should do, how does one Israeli government which most Israelis are dissatisfied with, supports the first premise of this piece, "honestly reflects the collective mindset of the Israeli Jewish Zionist society". You notice how Khalid never cites anything? The quote from Netanyahu in 1989, is always cited to an Israeli journal Hotam. But here is the thing, that journal doesn't exist. He doesn't even bother to cite any Human Rights organizations. For each statement he makes, he needs to back it up with something. He is saying that Netanyahu's government is going to show the world how bad Israel is. He tells us what Netanyahu is going to tell us, first by looking at a false quote, and then calling him racist and fascist. How is he racist and fascist? He could at least add a few Lieberman quotes. I'll use this as an example: "What else can be said of a government that ordered its army to exterminate and incinerate thousands of civilians with White Phosphorus, and then shamelessly claimed that it didn’t really mean to do it?" Is he telling us he can prove that an order was given to use WP to kill thousands? No, since thousands didn't die, that's just what he thinks. There is nothing revealing by this article. He doesn't try very hard to make his case. In fact, I see a hint of projection in it. How is reality going to be exposed if he won't bother to do it? @asiswhen –

Khalid is trying to describe Zionism. Since Zionists disagree on what Zionism is or what Israeli should do, how does one Israeli government which most Israelis are dissatisfied with, supports the first premise of this piece, "honestly reflects the collective mindset of the Israeli Jewish Zionist society".

You notice how Khalid never cites anything?

The quote from Netanyahu in 1989, is always cited to an Israeli journal Hotam. But here is the thing, that journal doesn't exist.

He doesn't even bother to cite any Human Rights organizations. For each statement he makes, he needs to back it up with something. He is saying that Netanyahu's government is going to show the world how bad Israel is.

He tells us what Netanyahu is going to tell us, first by looking at a false quote, and then calling him racist and fascist. How is he racist and fascist? He could at least add a few Lieberman quotes.

I'll use this as an example:
"What else can be said of a government that ordered its army to exterminate and incinerate thousands of civilians with White Phosphorus, and then shamelessly claimed that it didn’t really mean to do it?"

Is he telling us he can prove that an order was given to use WP to kill thousands? No, since thousands didn't die, that's just what he thinks. There is nothing revealing by this article.

He doesn't try very hard to make his case. In fact, I see a hint of projection in it. How is reality going to be exposed if he won't bother to do it?

]]> By: asiswhen http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7520 asiswhen Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:25:32 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7520 <a href='#comment-7519' rel="nofollow">@Michael</a> - Dude, I really don't know what your point is, or what this extension of logic brings to the table. I believe this topic is related to the underlying gravity of the zionist project related to the facade of any Isreali government. Also, I think Khalid is pointing out how people might complain about what color suit the zionist is wearing, instead of examining the underlying racism and cruelty that is Ethnic Cleansing. Any thoughts, or should I just pity 54% of Israelis because their goverment is led by fascists? @Michael – Dude, I really don't know what your point is, or what this extension of logic brings to the table. I believe this topic is related to the underlying gravity of the zionist project related to the facade of any Isreali government. Also, I think Khalid is pointing out how people might complain about what color suit the zionist is wearing, instead of examining the underlying racism and cruelty that is Ethnic Cleansing. Any thoughts, or should I just pity 54% of Israelis because their goverment is led by fascists?

]]> By: Michael http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7519 Michael Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:52:42 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7519 <a href='#comment-7516' rel="nofollow">@asiswhen</a> - Israel, and all countries, are not the total sum of its government, even elected governments. Politics don't sum up a country. Using your faulty logic, Gazans got what they deserved because they elected Hamas. 70% of Palestinians voted for Hamas. Does that make the Palestinians responsible for Hamas' actions? Does the person who voted for Hamas responsible for each rocket it fires, hence making him a "combatant" or a Hamas militant? Again, this is using YOUR faulty logic. Since Palestinians voted overwhelmingly for Hamas, does that mean that Hamas "honestly reflects the collective mindset" of the Palestinians? @asiswhen –

Israel, and all countries, are not the total sum of its government, even elected governments. Politics don't sum up a country.

Using your faulty logic, Gazans got what they deserved because they elected Hamas. 70% of Palestinians voted for Hamas. Does that make the Palestinians responsible for Hamas' actions? Does the person who voted for Hamas responsible for each rocket it fires, hence making him a "combatant" or a Hamas militant? Again, this is using YOUR faulty logic.

Since Palestinians voted overwhelmingly for Hamas, does that mean that Hamas "honestly reflects the collective mindset" of the Palestinians?

]]> By: asiswhen http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7516 asiswhen Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:35:18 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7516 @Michael, you seem to forget it's a government that they voted for with their "true democracy". That they should be allowed to be governed by those they elected is a privelege, and instead 54% claim to be the victims of their own ballot. The collective mindset is 'Zionist', and they got what they asked for in spades. @Michael, you seem to forget it's a government that they voted for with their "true democracy". That they should be allowed to be governed by those they elected is a privelege, and instead 54% claim to be the victims of their own ballot. The collective mindset is 'Zionist', and they got what they asked for in spades.

]]> By: Michael http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7514 Michael Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:01:22 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7514 The starting premise is wrong: "There is no doubt that the new Israeli government, led by Benyamin Netanyahu, honestly reflects the collective mindset of the Israeli Jewish Zionist society." -----Haaretz poll: 54% of public dissatisfied with new government. http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1075358.html Olmert had a 3% approval rating. The new Israeli government hasn't even done anything yet and over half of Israelis are dissatisfied with it. Why would the author of this article start with a premise that is clearly false? The starting premise is wrong:
"There is no doubt that the new Israeli government, led by Benyamin Netanyahu, honestly reflects the collective mindset of the Israeli Jewish Zionist society."

—–Haaretz poll: 54% of public dissatisfied with new government.
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1075358.html

Olmert had a 3% approval rating. The new Israeli government hasn't even done anything yet and over half of Israelis are dissatisfied with it.

Why would the author of this article start with a premise that is clearly false?

]]> By: Asiswhen http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7510 Asiswhen Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:43:31 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7510 It will be exciting as the minutes from the One-State conference are published. Ilan Pappe spoke of the urgency in abandoning the 2-state solution, which if ever attainable, seems only to legalize Banthustans and inequality. This urgency is related to this unveiled beast you speak of, that is emotionally prepared to continue where they left off in 1948 and carry out more expulsions of Palestinians living in Israel. He mentioned Umm El-Fahm as a field test. Also, Dr Meron Benvenisti suggested people forget about the term "occupation" and the freewill of "settlers", who are really sponsored by the government. There is a <i>blurring</i> across the green line, both geographically, and with respect to human rights. Throughout Palestine-Israel, "non-jews" are disposessed and denied human rights, so what does occupation have to do with it? It will be exciting as the minutes from the One-State conference are published. Ilan Pappe spoke of the urgency in abandoning the 2-state solution, which if ever attainable, seems only to legalize Banthustans and inequality. This urgency is related to this unveiled beast you speak of, that is emotionally prepared to continue where they left off in 1948 and carry out more expulsions of Palestinians living in Israel. He mentioned Umm El-Fahm as a field test. Also, Dr Meron Benvenisti suggested people forget about the term "occupation" and the freewill of "settlers", who are really sponsored by the government. There is a blurring across the green line, both geographically, and with respect to human rights. Throughout Palestine-Israel, "non-jews" are disposessed and denied human rights, so what does occupation have to do with it?

]]> By: Abu jehud http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7504 Abu jehud Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:40:01 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7504 Amos..Duuuude....looks like we didn,t take enough off at your Bris, Many you are pathetic...was your father a Kapo or are you just above average? I have never understood the cause of such self loathing...it seems to completely altewr rational thought. I mean it completely blinds you to reality. And so my poor Circumscionally challenged Amos can not see the difference between the arsonmist and the firefighter. The Sugarman...pathetic Amos..Duuuude….looks like we didn,t take enough off at your Bris,

Many you are pathetic…was your father a Kapo or are you just above average?

I have never understood the cause of such self loathing…it seems to completely altewr rational thought. I mean it completely blinds you to reality. And so my poor Circumscionally challenged Amos can not see the difference between the arsonmist and the firefighter. The Sugarman…pathetic

]]> By: amos zukerman http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7503 amos zukerman Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:53:56 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/01/khalid-amayreh-let-the-world-see-israels-true-ugly-face/#comment-7503 It can be said that this new regime will hasten the end of Zionism, by reviling to the world the true nature of the zionist beast. This may be so, but it will cost the palestinians dearly. I am sure history will eventually give an accurate description of this horrible gallery of challenged individuals that make up the israeli "government". Our job, in all humility, is to alert the world to the greatest threat to world peace this despots presents. They will stop at nothing, in their attempt to hold on to power. They are god's agents, and they have H bombs It can be said that this new regime will hasten the end of Zionism, by reviling to the world the true nature of the zionist beast. This may be so, but it will cost the palestinians dearly. I am sure history will eventually give an accurate description of this horrible gallery of challenged individuals that make up the israeli "government". Our job, in all humility, is to alert the world to the greatest threat to world peace this despots presents. They will stop at nothing, in their attempt to hold on to power. They are god's agents, and they have H bombs

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