Comments on: Haidar Eid – Gaza 2009: De-Osloizing the Palestinian Mind http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/03/14/haidar-eid-gaza-2009-de-osloizing-the-palestinian-mind/ Free Minds for a Free Palestine Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:57:06 +0300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: The view From Gaza | Antony Loewenstein http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/03/14/haidar-eid-gaza-2009-de-osloizing-the-palestinian-mind/#comment-10802 The view From Gaza | Antony Loewenstein Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:29:24 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=3266#comment-10802 [...] should be noted, however, that when I met Dr Haider Eid, a leading proponent of a one-state solution, he assured me that public support for such a move was [...] [...] should be noted, however, that when I met Dr Haider Eid, a leading proponent of a one-state solution, he assured me that public support for such a move was [...]

]]> By: Shaukat http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/03/14/haidar-eid-gaza-2009-de-osloizing-the-palestinian-mind/#comment-7083 Shaukat Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:26:19 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=3266#comment-7083 "No Israel pit the world against a few extremist groups throughout the Middle East." Seems the dude is not familiar with the history of the extremist groups in Europe (both Jewish and Christians) - many decades ahead of the so-called "extemist groups" in the Middle East. Maybe, I read the wrong history books on Europe - I mean the WW I and WW II - Nazis (150,000 Jews among them) and Zionists and Italian Fascists - were all Middle Easterns. WOW, what an enlightmen "No Israel pit the world against a few extremist groups throughout the Middle East."

Seems the dude is not familiar with the history of the extremist groups in Europe (both Jewish and Christians) – many decades ahead of the so-called "extemist groups" in the Middle East.

Maybe, I read the wrong history books on Europe – I mean the WW I and WW II – Nazis (150,000 Jews among them) and Zionists and Italian Fascists – were all Middle Easterns. WOW, what an enlightmen

]]> By: James Hovland http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/03/14/haidar-eid-gaza-2009-de-osloizing-the-palestinian-mind/#comment-7074 James Hovland Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:09:53 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=3266#comment-7074 Scrolling across the top of this page is a good example of the ongoing result of the rejection of the two state solution. More rockets, more settlement expansion, more war, etc... Plus you get the "terrorist" label as a platform to make you demands from, while behind the wall. There is a one state solution, but rejecting the two state solution is where you are, and how you got there. Peace goes FORWARD as planned. Scrolling across the top of this page is a good example of the ongoing result of the rejection of the two state solution. More rockets, more settlement expansion, more war, etc… Plus you get the "terrorist" label as a platform to make you demands from, while behind the wall. There is a one state solution, but rejecting the two state solution is where you are, and how you got there. Peace goes FORWARD as planned.

]]> By: James Hovland http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/03/14/haidar-eid-gaza-2009-de-osloizing-the-palestinian-mind/#comment-7073 James Hovland Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:53:40 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=3266#comment-7073 The main obstacle to peace has always been the extremists who reject and attack any solution that isn't their own. The majority of the peace movement supports Palestine and Israel, but not one over the other. That's why it's called the "peace" movement rather that the "Palestine" or "Israel" movement. This is why we are able to be a global force rather than just a bunch of fringe groups. Many Palestinians and Israelis also support the two state solution and just want peace, other are content with war until they can reclaim the land. So, is it war or peace? As I recall from the self proclaimed title, the peace movement is pursuing peace. I support the right of return and reject Israel's identity as a "Jewish State", and even hope for Palestinian leadership to rise in Israel some day, but one state or two, Israel stays, at least until the Palestinians are in a position to gracefully change the name. No Palestine pits the world against the Zionists. No Israel pit the world against a few extremist groups throughout the Middle East. Regardless of the details, without actual peace between the people, there is no solution. Peace goes forward as planned. The main obstacle to peace has always been the extremists who reject and attack any solution that isn't their own. The majority of the peace movement supports Palestine and Israel, but not one over the other. That's why it's called the "peace" movement rather that the "Palestine" or "Israel" movement. This is why we are able to be a global force rather than just a bunch of fringe groups. Many Palestinians and Israelis also support the two state solution and just want peace, other are content with war until they can reclaim the land. So, is it war or peace? As I recall from the self proclaimed title, the peace movement is pursuing peace. I support the right of return and reject Israel's identity as a "Jewish State", and even hope for Palestinian leadership to rise in Israel some day, but one state or two, Israel stays, at least until the Palestinians are in a position to gracefully change the name. No Palestine pits the world against the Zionists. No Israel pit the world against a few extremist groups throughout the Middle East. Regardless of the details, without actual peace between the people, there is no solution. Peace goes forward as planned.

]]> By: Shaukat http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/03/14/haidar-eid-gaza-2009-de-osloizing-the-palestinian-mind/#comment-7072 Shaukat Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:15:53 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=3266#comment-7072 The silent majority of Palestinian - inside the Zionist-prison and outside - never accepted the so-called "Two State Solution" - becausethey knew from the past sufferings that Zionist thugs have never believed in living side-by-side with the Native Muslims and Christians. Their goal was to establish a demographic Jewish (read Zionist) state covering the entire Palestine, Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and parts of Iraq and Syria. The "Two State Solution" was conceived by the Jew-Zionist British foreign secretary, Lord Balfour, in 1917 - dividing Ottoman Muslim Valeyat of Palestine into two-states; one for the European Jews and the other for the native Muslims and Christians. This dead body was revived by the corrupt PLO leadership with blessing from the puppet Arab regimes - to get a ghetto for the natives - so that they all could be free to establish brotherly relations with Zionist regime - and let the coming generations of Palestinians live like American Indians. What ordinary Palestinian dream is the recovery of his/her stolen land by Jews who suffered at the hands of European Christians and their fellow Nazi Jews. http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/dayenu-enough/ The silent majority of Palestinian – inside the Zionist-prison and outside – never accepted the so-called "Two State Solution" – becausethey knew from the past sufferings that Zionist thugs have never believed in living side-by-side with the Native Muslims and Christians. Their goal was to establish a demographic Jewish (read Zionist) state covering the entire Palestine, Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and parts of Iraq and Syria.

The "Two State Solution" was conceived by the Jew-Zionist British foreign secretary, Lord Balfour, in 1917 – dividing Ottoman Muslim Valeyat of Palestine into two-states; one for the European Jews and the other for the native Muslims and Christians. This dead body was revived by the corrupt PLO leadership with blessing from the puppet Arab regimes – to get a ghetto for the natives – so that they all could be free to establish brotherly relations with Zionist regime – and let the coming generations of Palestinians live like American Indians.
What ordinary Palestinian dream is the recovery of his/her stolen land by Jews who suffered at the hands of European Christians and their fellow Nazi Jews.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/dayenu-enough/

]]> By: Sami Jamil Jadallah http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/03/14/haidar-eid-gaza-2009-de-osloizing-the-palestinian-mind/#comment-7066 Sami Jamil Jadallah Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:14:21 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=3266#comment-7066 Very well said Haider. It is time for all Palestinians and the world to understand that Oslo was nothing more than a saving measure, a life line to Arafat, his PLO his cronies and a way for Israel to end the First Intifada and to transfer the financial burden of the Jewish Occupation to the Palestinians and the international community. Under Oslo, the PLO became a security and civil administration contractor for Israel, managing the Occupation. After the US, the PLO is the largest financial contributor to Israel saving Israel couple of billions a year to use to fund the Jewish settlement and get arms to kill and murder Palestinians. I think and in my mind, Arafat, Qurai and Abbas as the architect of Oslo should be charged with treason for their crimes against the Palestinian people. The PLO recognized Israel without ever defining its borders in return Israel never did recognize Palestine or the Palestinians but recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people. What see today of death and destruction, expansions of settlements and theft of land and ethnic cleansing of Arab Jerusalem have its legal basis in Oslo. We need liberation not revolution. Very well said Haider. It is time for all Palestinians and the world to understand that Oslo was nothing more than a saving measure, a life line to Arafat, his PLO his cronies and a way for Israel to end the First Intifada and to transfer the financial burden of the Jewish Occupation to the Palestinians and the international community. Under Oslo, the PLO became a security and civil administration contractor for Israel, managing the Occupation. After the US, the PLO is the largest financial contributor to Israel saving Israel couple of billions a year to use to fund the Jewish settlement and get arms to kill and murder Palestinians. I think and in my mind, Arafat, Qurai and Abbas as the architect of Oslo should be charged with treason for their crimes against the Palestinian people. The PLO recognized Israel without ever defining its borders in return Israel never did recognize Palestine or the Palestinians but recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people. What see today of death and destruction, expansions of settlements and theft of land and ethnic cleansing of Arab Jerusalem have its legal basis in Oslo. We need liberation not revolution.

]]> By: Mzimkhulu Nyeka http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/03/14/haidar-eid-gaza-2009-de-osloizing-the-palestinian-mind/#comment-7065 Mzimkhulu Nyeka Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:52:08 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/?p=3266#comment-7065 If the two-state solution ever comes to fruition, it will be soon followed by the "reconciliation and truth commission" as a final nail in the coffin of Palestinian rights. Such a commission, although touted as a brilliant and necessary towards "opeaceful co-existence in South Africa, has been nothing but a resolve to excuse massacres, ethnic cleansing and pacify the victims of one of the most brutal regimes the world has ever witnessed. The perpetrators of war crimes pollute the streets and neighborhoods of South Africa with the stench that can only emanate from blood-soaked hands and the smell of human flesh. These criminals have never been tried in a court of law for their barbaric and evil acts which spanned centuries and continue to this day. Instead, they were rewarded with huge pensions and are still regarded as heroes by the beneficiaries of the ill-gotten privileges who have been absolved of their tacit approval and implementation of "crimes against humanity" and attempts to wipe the African majority's national aspirations and the right to deterimne a future of their own choosing in the land of their fathers, indeed the land of their forefathers! The courageous people of Palestine have the support of all peace-loving people the world over. Their heroic struggle will one day pay huge dividends if the prescriptions adopted at Oslo are no longer adhered to or utilised as guidelines towards true liberation, peace and justice in our lifetime. If not, their rights will continue to be trampled on by the Zionist state and its major sponsor, the United States government and its lackeys in the Middle East. The evil attempts and shenanigans of the supporters of the apartheid state of Israel to quash the rights of this great nation should never be allowed to take root by all progressive forces through the exposure of what is truly happening in Palestine, Israel and the halls of the Congress of the United States. Long live Palestine! If the two-state solution ever comes to fruition, it will be soon followed by the "reconciliation and truth commission" as a final nail in the coffin of Palestinian rights. Such a commission, although touted as a brilliant and necessary towards "opeaceful co-existence in South Africa, has been nothing but a resolve to excuse massacres, ethnic cleansing and pacify the victims of one of the most brutal regimes the world has ever witnessed.

The perpetrators of war crimes pollute the streets and neighborhoods of South Africa with the stench that can only emanate from blood-soaked hands and the smell of human flesh. These criminals have never been tried in a court of law for their barbaric and evil acts which spanned centuries and continue to this day. Instead, they were rewarded with huge pensions and are still regarded as heroes by the beneficiaries of the ill-gotten privileges who have been absolved of their tacit approval and implementation of "crimes against humanity" and attempts to wipe the African majority's national aspirations and the right to deterimne a future of their own choosing in the land of their fathers, indeed the land of their forefathers!

The courageous people of Palestine have the support of all peace-loving people the world over. Their heroic struggle will one day pay huge dividends if the prescriptions adopted at Oslo are no longer adhered to or utilised as guidelines towards true liberation, peace and justice in our lifetime. If not, their rights will continue to be trampled on by the Zionist state and its major sponsor, the United States government and its lackeys in the Middle East. The evil attempts and shenanigans of the supporters of the apartheid state of Israel to quash the rights of this great nation should never be allowed to take root by all progressive forces through the exposure of what is truly happening in Palestine, Israel and the halls of the Congress of the United States. Long live Palestine!

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