Comments on: Is Israel a democratic state? Interview with Mauro Manno http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/ Free Minds for a Free Palestine Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:10:11 +0300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Fiore http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6512 Fiore Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:45:00 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6512 I will miss Pr. Mauro Manno a lot. It was a shocking news to hear of his death even if I was fearing that there must be some serious problems behind his almost complete silence during the last one year and a half. The Palestinian cause has lost one of its strongest defender, who was humble enough to go in pro-Palestine street protests to distribute writings that explained what is behind the Israel occupation over Palestine. It was during one of these occasion that I had the honor to meet him and I am very glad of that as he helped me better understand this issue. Thank you Mauro for all your efforts to help Palestinians. I will miss Pr. Mauro Manno a lot.
It was a shocking news to hear of his death even if I was fearing that there must be some serious problems behind his almost complete silence during the last one year and a half. The Palestinian cause has lost one of its strongest defender, who was humble enough to go in pro-Palestine street protests to distribute writings that explained what is behind the Israel occupation over Palestine. It was during one of these occasion that I had the honor to meet him and I am very glad of that as he helped me better understand this issue.
Thank you Mauro for all your efforts to help Palestinians.

]]> By: Mary Rizzo http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6510 Mary Rizzo Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:14:40 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6510 Wael, I truly wish Mauro could reply, but if you saw the top of the interview, he died last week. Sure, it would be good to get beyond the terms "Zionism", "colonialism", but if you cancel the terms, if you "rethink them", what are you going to end up with, but pretty much the same way of "interpreting reality" unless you change your view on how what it "is" is acceptable or not. I have been in heavy discussions for years with some who state "Zionism doesn't exist", "We Israelis are not Zionists", but what they do, (occupy Palestine for reasons of having a Jewish State there) is live the Zionist reality, what else can one classify it as? Wael, I truly wish Mauro could reply, but if you saw the top of the interview, he died last week.

Sure, it would be good to get beyond the terms "Zionism", "colonialism", but if you cancel the terms, if you "rethink them", what are you going to end up with, but pretty much the same way of "interpreting reality" unless you change your view on how what it "is" is acceptable or not. I have been in heavy discussions for years with some who state "Zionism doesn't exist", "We Israelis are not Zionists", but what they do, (occupy Palestine for reasons of having a Jewish State there) is live the Zionist reality, what else can one classify it as?

]]> By: eileen fleming http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6508 eileen fleming Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:20:46 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6508 Dear Wael, I truly empathize with all people rendered refugees due to 'empire's' lust for power and control. I repent for the unjust actions of my government that fortify and maintain the illegal occupation of the indigenous people of the so called holy land, which is as we know-in pieces: BANTUSTANS! I am aggrieved [and I struggle greatly with my anger!] over all the deluded, willfully ignorant, apathetic hard hearted, closed minded so called Christians in the USA who have NO CLUE to the commands of their own faith-yet they want to convert others to their small patriarchal judgmental god, which has nothing to do with what Jesus was all about. JC NEVER said it was OK to starve, bomb, torture, occupy or kill any other. He did say: "The Peacemakers will be called the daughters and sons of God."- Matthew 5:9 I imagine/hope/pray/work towards the days when we all SHARE ONE WORLD as EQUALS. It will take an evolution revolution-a transformation of hearts and mind-and that is what Jesus was talking about when he said you must be born again: awakened to see The Divine in all people, and when we do, NO WAY will we starve, bomb, torture, occupy or kill any other. Dear Wael,

I truly empathize with all people rendered refugees due to 'empire's' lust for power and control.

I repent for the unjust actions of my government that fortify and maintain the illegal occupation of the indigenous people of the so called holy land, which is as we know-in pieces: BANTUSTANS!

I am aggrieved [and I struggle greatly with my anger!] over all the deluded, willfully ignorant, apathetic hard hearted, closed minded so called Christians in the USA who have NO CLUE to the commands of their own faith-yet they want to convert others to their small patriarchal judgmental god, which has nothing to do with what Jesus was all about.

JC NEVER said it was OK to starve, bomb, torture, occupy or kill any other.

He did say:

"The Peacemakers will be called the daughters and sons of God."- Matthew 5:9

I imagine/hope/pray/work towards the days when we all SHARE ONE WORLD as EQUALS.

It will take an evolution revolution-a transformation of hearts and mind-and that is what Jesus was talking about when he said you must be born again: awakened to see The Divine in all people, and when we do, NO WAY will we starve, bomb, torture, occupy or kill any other.

]]> By: Wael http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6504 Wael Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:21:17 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6504 <a href='#comment-6503' rel="nofollow">@eileen fleming</a> - "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."-Article 13:2 and what if you do not have a "country"? Some times I think counties has been established to manifest the occupation by power elite .. @eileen fleming –
"Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."-Article 13:2

and what if you do not have a "country"?
Some times I think counties has been established to manifest the occupation by power elite ..

]]> By: eileen fleming http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6503 eileen fleming Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:04:06 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6503 "Israel is a not a democracy but is an Ethnocracy, meaning a country run and controlled by a national group with some democratic elements but set up with Jews in control and structured to keep them in control.”-Jeff Halper, American-Israeli, Founder and Coordinator of ICAHD/Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions and a Noble Peace Prize Nominee for 2006. Another example of how un-democratic Israel should become even more obvious by April 21, 2009, that is when the 5th year of restrictions that DENY Mordechai Vanunu the RIGHT to speak to non-Israelis expires! The UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights is binding on "all countries of the world". The statehood of Israel was contingent upon upholding it. EQUAL human rights are declared as UNDERSTOOD at the outset of the document as "inalienable" and therefore can not be denied by any government. "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."-Article 13:2 "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." -Article 19. I HOPE every ready will Do something: Make a call, send letters, FAX's, emails to your political reps and President Obama to be a true friend to Israel by holding them accountable for ALL their injustices! Comments: 202-456-1111 Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, DC 20500 USA citizens: http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/opl/ http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ "HOPE has two children. The first is ANGER at the way things are. The second is COURAGE to DO SOMETHING about it."-St. Augustine "Israel is a not a democracy but is an Ethnocracy, meaning a country run and controlled by a national group with some democratic elements but set up with Jews in control and structured to keep them in control.”-Jeff Halper, American-Israeli, Founder and Coordinator of ICAHD/Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions and a Noble Peace Prize Nominee for 2006.

Another example of how un-democratic Israel should become even more obvious by April 21, 2009, that is when the 5th year of restrictions that DENY Mordechai Vanunu the RIGHT to speak to non-Israelis expires!

The UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights is binding on "all countries of the world".

The statehood of Israel was contingent upon upholding it.

EQUAL human rights are declared as UNDERSTOOD at the outset of the document as "inalienable" and therefore can not be denied by any government.

"Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."-Article 13:2

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." -Article 19.

I HOPE every ready will Do something:

Make a call, send letters, FAX's, emails to your political reps and President Obama to be a true friend to Israel by holding them accountable for ALL their injustices!

Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

USA citizens:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/opl/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

"HOPE has two children. The first is ANGER at the way things are. The second is COURAGE to DO SOMETHING about it."-St. Augustine

]]> By: Wael http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6498 Wael Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:27:14 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6498 exactly .. ruling class is what I call political power of occupation matrix. It wont change any thing if any one of us become within ruling class in such matrix. Ergo > do not go to vote in this f**ked up system. We are lucky today that we are developing technology we can turn the pyramid of power up-side-down, where every one within the network can be placed on the top of it (like Silo; top is the bottom part) and all others will integrate their capacity to serve the individual (meta-individuals, ban-hierarchical) we can start correct solution process if we redefine expressions, introduce new one and build relation between Palestine and Quantum-physics E=mc2 ... How? Zionism, Colonialism and all ISMs are based on separation, disintegration, Egoism, .. While E=mc2 tells us, hold one, you are not alone, we are one and things are interconnected .. thats why i introduce it as a signal to re-think and re-do. the traditional way of claiming is based on old foundation has/is been/ing changed with modern integral science. Our issues are integral http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlanSTeRfjQ I hope "Palestine Think Tank" will drive people to **think** deeper than staying on the emotional surface of interaction and claiming. All defect structures like Zionism has basic root cause begins with the way one interpret "reality". We are lucky, that the way we think as human forms is evolving (not by all of us) .. this has been the result of several years of research and thinking. http://gbasetup.ning.com/ i would love to hear Mauro Manno on that .. thanks exactly ..
ruling class is what I call political power of occupation matrix.
It wont change any thing if any one of us become within ruling class in such matrix. Ergo > do not go to vote in this f**ked up system. We are lucky today that we are developing technology we can turn the pyramid of power up-side-down, where every one within the network can be placed on the top of it (like Silo; top is the bottom part) and all others will integrate their capacity to serve the individual (meta-individuals, ban-hierarchical)

we can start correct solution process if we redefine expressions, introduce new one and build relation between Palestine and Quantum-physics E=mc2 …
How?
Zionism, Colonialism and all ISMs are based on separation, disintegration, Egoism, ..
While E=mc2 tells us, hold one, you are not alone, we are one and things are interconnected .. thats why i introduce it as a signal to re-think and re-do.

the traditional way of claiming is based on old foundation has/is been/ing changed with modern integral science.
Our issues are integral
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlanSTeRfjQ

I hope "Palestine Think Tank" will drive people to **think** deeper than staying on the emotional surface of interaction and claiming. All defect structures like Zionism has basic root cause begins with the way one interpret "reality". We are lucky, that the way we think as human forms is evolving (not by all of us) .. this has been the result of several years of research and thinking.
http://gbasetup.ning.com/

i would love to hear Mauro Manno on that ..

thanks

]]> By: davinca http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6497 davinca Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:51:23 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6497 http://matriarchy.info/ http://www.peacefulsocieties.org/ http://www.continuum-concept.org/ http://matriarchy.info/
http://www.peacefulsocieties.org/
http://www.continuum-concept.org/

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6488 bozhidar bob balkas Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:38:49 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6488 we cld differentiate btwn what the word "democracy" represents and how a society is structured. word democracy pertains to a political arrangement only. but as in US and most other lands the structure of society is fascist and the mode of production capitalist. in a fascist lands, social order is piramidical in which hobos have near zero econo-political rights or power. while the uppermost layer of society (5%) in US and israel enjoys at least 90% of econo-military-political-legal powers. voting is really one of the least important event in any rule: 'democratic', theocratic, authoritarian, etc. we need desperately a more egalitarian societal structure. but the ruling class, i deduce, will not lift a finger to create a better society. in fact, opposite may be true. thnx we cld differentiate btwn what the word "democracy" represents and how a society is structured.
word democracy pertains to a political arrangement only.
but as in US and most other lands the structure of society is fascist and the mode of production capitalist.
in a fascist lands, social order is piramidical in which hobos have near zero econo-political rights or power.
while the uppermost layer of society (5%) in US and israel enjoys at least 90% of econo-military-political-legal powers.
voting is really one of the least important event in any rule: 'democratic', theocratic, authoritarian, etc.
we need desperately a more egalitarian societal structure.
but the ruling class, i deduce, will not lift a finger to create a better society. in fact, opposite may be true. thnx

]]> By: Wael http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6471 Wael Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:34:08 +0000 http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/02/18/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/#comment-6471 the issue is wider than "Israel Democracy and Zionist Lobby" We are all part of an "occupation matrix". Or do you believe UN, WTO, World Bank and corporation/political power elite lead economy is really democratic? Did the British really care about Palestinian as colonial power or more about political interests.. The fact that the majority are part of this corrupted world-order and consuming its legitimacy no wonder Palestinian will not be free same as all other nations. Zionism is misusing a bad mentality of world leadership and its consumer. The claim and the battle has to be deeper, integral and more radical in terms of cause and effect. An Arab cries for Gaza and not straight with his next neighbor is doing the same bad role as UN ~ time to walk up and claim one-self to construct the world we really want to have with all passion and will. Palestine is the title of my big struggle . Palestine Peace is World Peace the issue is wider than "Israel Democracy and Zionist Lobby"
We are all part of an "occupation matrix". Or do you believe UN, WTO, World Bank and corporation/political power elite lead economy is really democratic?
Did the British really care about Palestinian as colonial power or more about political interests..

The fact that the majority are part of this corrupted world-order and consuming its legitimacy no wonder Palestinian will not be free same as all other nations.
Zionism is misusing a bad mentality of world leadership and its consumer.
The claim and the battle has to be deeper, integral and more radical in terms of cause and effect.

An Arab cries for Gaza and not straight with his next neighbor is doing the same bad role as UN ~ time to walk up and claim one-self to construct the world we really want to have with all passion and will.

Palestine is the title of my big struggle .
Palestine Peace is World Peace

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