Well. I did not call you personally a propagandist but what you say about that site mentioned is clearly far from the truth because if what you say was true then they would have no problem with my comments on their articles. They do not allow any comments on their site which they see as defending of Turkish opinions. I am not saying articles but not even comments. They will allow any anti Turkish comments and articles but they can not accept even a slightest sign of a defence from the Turkish party. I clearly know these sites are not for the causes of Turkish interest but rather they should be to Palestine interest and that is the main purpose I comment on these sites to give support but I also feel obliged to defend attacks on my peoples views. Maybe I must learn what I did not know, maybe most of Arab interest including the Palestines passes from calling Turks responsible for an holocaust which is so called Armenian genocide that have never happened. That article on that site clearly makes anti Turkish propaganda while masking itself with "supporting the Palestine cause" When I or any other opposite viewers comment they clearly deny any comments or thoughts which defends Turkish side. People who blame you for Algerian connection is a different issue while if you read the article I mention or even the heading of the article you can easily understand that article accuses Turkey for a holocaust and that articles is connnected to where? To the PTT site where another article mentions a good response of the Turkish PM. So smart of that site. We call this in my country "hitting 2 birds with 1 stone".

Thanks for your taking time and responding and not deleting my comments.

But, it often seems that a lot of people who support their own causes, when they find something about it or them on another site, they assume there is a propaganda attempt. Not that you'd have the time or interest to check, but on the post about the Saharawi, there are over 180 comments, and about 10 of them are calling me a propagandist who takes money from Algeria! I know it's not true, but that doesn't stop them from saying it.

This site that has its link into PTT is an anti Turkish propagandist site. I can't understand why would you put their link under an event you should only write "thank you"…. This can only be called stabbing in the back.

Why would you say that I am a modern day Nazi? What is your base for your sentence? I say if an organized terrorist group (A group of people who esspecially organize the group for killing innocent people) attacks then they should be destroyed with no hesitation. But why would you argue that when you already know some few hundreds of people stay in the mountains nearby Turkey just to attack Turkish children and elderly, are you saying they shall kill the Turks? Are you justifying that? Are you saying that killing a terrorist (no matter which nationality he/she is from) who stays somewhere not even donkeys would stay only to kill innocent children are these terrorists having the same action with the innocent palestinian children? So to make it clear you think that Turkish children to be killed by Kurdish terrorist group PKK is ok? And if the Turkish people decide to self defence it is a genocide and that Turkish people are modern day Nazis? Yes very interesting view of you but I may have misunderstood, I just tried to understand your base of talking. You can explain and in your explanation if you can prove that Turkish armed forces are killing Kurds anywhere in the world (Anywhere, any city, any place that can be called settlement) I will condemn my country first even before you. Can you also condemn the Kurdish terrorists who has been killing Turkish children and even new born babies? Can you conde34mn their action of sneaking nearby villages from Iraq to inside Turkey and killing innocent teachers?

Now I know what you will do you will start telling lies and with no base and no facts and then you will sit down and pray for some uneducated people to believe you.

You are so hatred and empty you just wish to find any Turk to call him/her a Nazi… Turkish history is full of opposite examples and if you were mentioning the So called Armenian genocide I am sorry but it is only fiction… The photos that Armenians showing to world are from Xotzali genocide which Armenians did to Azeri Turks and those dead people are infact Turks…. They are so shameless that they can openly show the people which they killed as a result of ethnic cleansing of Karabag (Azeri Land) They show the Turkish babies dead corpses and claim that they are Armenian 30% of Azeri Turkish land is occupied by those liars. The So called Armenian Genocide is the greates lie of the century, furthermore the only lie with no facts and only fiction. BTW I also condemn Arab countries such as Egypt and Lebanon who recognizes this lie as if it was true and I do need to aknowledge that most of these Arab countries has no real leadership they are friends to anyone help or seem to help them. I do not recall in history at anytime including the Cyprus issue that they were supporting Turkish people. But this still does not keep me from an humanitarian issue of palestine. In Palestine more then 1000 women and babies were killed in less then 1 week. How can a human know this and his heart don't hurt.

You use even this forum for your propagandist purposes. Why won't you tell us you opinion about the real subject but you will just use your valuable time and write 2 lines to poison the Turkish Arabic relationship.

Really, read more and come back.

palestinians have not posed any military threat to isr or a threat to its existence at least since '73. so, killing so many civilians was obviously not a defensive action.
there are factors for the latest carnage in gaza: hatred, cultish beliefs, anger, stupidity, lunacy, tribalism, politics, etc.

the fact that IOF ceased the warfare (raid wld be better label) before even killing no more than 300 gazan fighters, shows that IOF raid was mostly about killing their women, old men, and children and not at all to crush hamas.

just like in lebanon so in gaza IOF had to withdraw without achieving stated goal. of course, israel cld have utterly destroyed hamas but the leadership did not want to sustain many of own maimed and killed.
that wld have been bad for young men's moral to wage further incursions.
and isr needs more cannon fodder.
thnx

Hey Kevin you are a liar and you lie in a shameless way. When Kurds were to be destroyed by Saddam Hussein in Iraq then who opened its borders to save those women children and even young boys? Who fed them and gave them a shelter? The Kurds that attack Turkey is not Kurds that you wish us to mix in our head and have it your way. Those Kurds that attack Turkey are called "PKK" which is a truly terrorist organization and kills the Turkish women and babies just as the same way Israel does to Palestinians. But I understand and know your shameless way which I saw in many occasions so it is not so very hard to tell that you are an Armenian or a Kurd. Turkey bombs the "PKK" who are already in the mountains (these mountains declared as non-human areas) their only purpose to maintain in the mountains is to attack the Turkish villages nearby and kill the innocent Turkish babies. Tukish soldiers would and will never touch a baby of the enemy or the wife of the enemy. It is not possible for you to understand the reasons but you go on and make a fool out of yourself. Who knows Turks knows them and won't get mixed with your fraudelent comments you fool.

Turkish and Proud (This would make your hate double I hope you lifeless looser)

His next appointment was of a rabid Zionist, Israeli dual citizen who served in the Israeli Army as his Chief of Staff, Rahm Emmanuel.

As thousands of women and children in Gaza were killed or maimed, Obama remained silent. Within a few days as President Obama supported indiscriminate American missile strikes in villages of our ally Pakistan, a clear continuation of Bush’s policies. He completely supports the theft of trillions of American taxpayer dollars to the Zionist international bankers. Eighty percent of American Jews voted for Obama, and all the main leaders of the Jewish Supremacist state of Israel have proclaimed Obama as the perfect man for U.S. President.

By the way, I believe YouTube has contaminated the original video I had up here. It blocks the entire site when inserted, so, I had to take it out. You can see it here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/davos/7859417.stm
Tlaxcala is working on our subtitling of the entire event, almost done, and I'll link to that too.

Suggestion for PTT: Have a section publishing companies and NGO's that are suitable for boycotting by ordinary people so we know what to look for in the supermarkets, financial sector, media and elsewhere. The list alone would be very revealing. I think that sort of information, regularly and publicly disseminated could have a very significant effect far beyond excellent op-ed pieces such as we find here because such things translate ideas into actual behavior (purchasing choices). Not only that but reading and seeing the lists (hopefully with some background info) is direct, immediate education as to how much is riding on the issue in practical/monetary terms, not just ideological.

Ash, I further recommend to establish and support anti-imperial/anti-power economy rather than just boycotting.

This mad world must get changed

Erdogan's statements above, although not specifically demanding this, nevertheless challenge the perceived 'legitimacy' of the way in which Israel's genocidal policies are usually presented and discussed using post-Holocaust victim lingo (a shameless bamboozle/propaganda trick of course) and rarely if ever challenged. Erdogan challenged it in public.

More of this needs to go on.

Suggestion for PTT: Have a section publishing companies and NGO's that are suitable for boycotting by ordinary people so we know what to look for in the supermarkets, financial sector, media and elsewhere. The list alone would be very revealing. I think that sort of information, regularly and publicly disseminated could have a very significant effect far beyond excellent op-ed pieces such as we find here because such things translate ideas into actual behavior (purchasing choices). Not only that but reading and seeing the lists (hopefully with some background info) is direct, immediate education as to how much is riding on the issue in practical/monetary terms, not just ideological.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1060116.html

'Terrorist state' or not, Israel expected to sell drones to Turkey

By Zvi Bar'el

Tags: Turkey, UAVs, Israel News

Turkey is expected to receive its first shipment of attack drones from Israel next month, despite the comments by its prime minister during the Gaza offensive that Israel was a terrorist state. Turkey is also expected to receive another shipment of Heron drones from Israel.

According to Turkish sources and reports in the Turkish media, the predominantly Muslim country under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is expected to buy drones known as the Harpy. This armed UAV, developed by Elbit and Israel Aerospace Industries, participated in the Gaza offensive and killed Hamas militants.

Turkish Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul was reportedly impressed with the Harpy's performance on his visit to Israel in October. Another factor in Turkey's decision to buy from Israel may be the delay in a final decision by the United States on whether to sell Turkey Predator drones.
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Turkish sources say Turkey would rather buy the Predator because of its rich combat experience in Iraq and Afghanistan. One Turkish source said the reports about the deal with Israel were leaked to try to persuade the Americans to cut through the red tape and approve the sale.

Turkey and Israel signed a deal for the supply of Heron drones to the tune of $180 million in 2005, but delays and malfunctions in the cameras mounted on the drones pushed back delivery by more than one year.

In December, Turkey received two Heron UAVs, and another three units are expected to be shipped in February. Despite Erdogan's harsh statements about Israel during the Gaza operation, Israeli sources say the two countries still cooperate on security matters.

"The two countries are connected by their defense needs," one Israeli source said. "The Turkish defense establishment is behaving as though there were no diplomatic crisis, and the diplomats are behaving as though there were no military cooperation."