Comments on: Iqbal Tamimi – Media manipulations: The child was called a murderer while the soldier was called a ‘boy’

By: MANIPULACIONES MEDIÁTICAS: Al muchacho se le llamó “asesino” y al soldado se le llamó “muchacho” « Identidad Andaluza

Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:05:06 +0000

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By: Mary Rizzo

Mary Rizzo — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:55:38 +0000

You have to check it out! http://www.tlaxcala.es
We focus on translations, but all of us are activists, so this means we write, edit, proofread, do interviews, set up anything needed to get the information out. And yes, the pen is mightier than the sword!!!

By: Ibrahim Turner

Ibrahim Turner — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:30:35 +0000

Not being multilingual I had no idea that there was such a team doing translations of all this stuff.

More power to their elbow/pens.

The pen is mightier than the sword!

By: Mary Rizzo

Mary Rizzo — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:02:06 +0000

Yes, it's in Spanish, which also means it went to the largest alternative Spanish language site, Rebelion, since our Spanish translators cross post their work. This means it will have a million people visit that site this week alone. It's being done into French right now, which also means it will go on loads of sites including Reseau Voltaire, Alterinfo, ISM France, etc… Language isn't a barrier anymore for information that is not on the NYTimes! This was our goal from the beginning, and after 15,000 articles and translations in about 18 languages, I can say we've really done something good in a little over 2 years! Who ever would have dreamed of it. And it just started with three friends complaining that we sure would like to have some organisation to spread the information into the languages we used in our daily lives, none of which were English, but most of the articles that we would see were in English.

The activist translators of Tlaxcala are the greatest people. Really dedicated and extremely talented. I am so proud it exists. It is really an oasis in a desert of communications, and it can only grow.

But, without great texts, able to reach the sensibilities and hearts of people, texts like yours, there would be no point at all!

By: Iqbal Tamimi

Iqbal Tamimi — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:04:09 +0000

I have been told that it was also translated to French by Tlaxcala, I do admire the work and effort of every single one of those who do put all their efforts to convey a message. I salute the Tlaxcala team, and thank each and every one of them. Thank you Mary.

By: Mary Rizzo

Mary Rizzo — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:13:17 +0000

It's possible! I helped found Tlaxcala, so I will get on the case! Thanks Fawdawi for pointing it out. By the way, almost half of the material present on this site is available in other languages, as many Tlaxcalans select the material directly from this site. I am always pleasantly surprised to find the articles in languages I didn't expect such as Portuguese, Swedish, etc.!

By: Iqbal Tamimi

Iqbal Tamimi — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:37:15 +0000

Thank you Fawdawi for your effort, I don't know if it is possible to edit the name of the writer it is Iqbal Tamimi, not Tamini.

By: Fawdawi

Fawdawi — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:45:32 +0000

Here's the link to the Spanish version

http://www.tlaxcala.es/pp.asp?reference=5573&lg=es

Keep doing your great job!

By: Julianne H. Gustafson Lira

Julianne H. Gustafson Lira — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:02:54 +0000

Dear Avi,

I know Jesus Christ. I do Not belong to any church or religion, but I have Known him, felt him, heard him. I try to live by his words. He was given to the Jews but only per chance, but he is MAN for all. All i can tell you is I know him. He is Love. He is life. I believe and love Mohammed as well. This isnot to detract from Mohammed. Allah is God, is Dios, is Bog. Same diety for all. I am not sure about a physical entity called God-Allah, but but i know there is a life force that guides all living things.
I am in my 62s and in my life i have been near death several times. Quite close. One commandment i learned long ago was to never deny that i know Him. I just love him.
You do not make me angry when you tell me to go to hell. Hell is here on earth, but so is Heaven.
But i am not trying to convertanyone to anything. I know He is quite happy with you being what you want to be, so do not feel threatened.
I know He is with the Palestinian people and with all who suffer.

By: Fawdawi

Fawdawi — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:10:36 +0000

I will translate your articles, Iqbar!

By: Steve

Steve — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:13:48 +0000

The office of the Israeli Prime Minister also stated many times that it is seeking a peaceful solution to the Israeli/Palestinian crisis.

They also stated that the Prime Minister himself is not corrupt, but those that claim he is are pathological liars.
Just who are we to believe?

By: Robin

Robin — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:05:12 +0000

Read this article with a translation of a LETTER FROM OLMERT'S OFFICE transferring millions to Hamas!

"In an unprecedented move, the office of Israel's Prime Minister admitted today that it is allowing the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars to the Hamas in Gaza due to "Israeli political considerations."

http://galileanword.blogspot.com/2008/06/pm-to-terror-victims-i-transfer-money_26.html

By: Steve

Steve — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:54:21 +0000

One clarification…. NO MONIES are received by Palestine From the State of Israel. Monies owed tp Palestine is given to the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah which is NOT the elected government of Palestine.

Funds that ARE in possession of Hamas or Hamas affiliated organisations are often tied up or blocked by the Israeli or American government making it impossible to use those funds to benefit the people they were meant for.

As for the two Israeli soldiers, they were not kidnapped i Israel. They were well within Lebanese territory.

Israel sent troops across the border into Lebanon. They then claimed the captured invaders were "kidnap victims" and launched their attacks. It's all part of their 'game'.

By: Robin

Robin — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:20:27 +0000

The fact that Kuntar is a Druze is inconsequential. The arab world is not wholly Muslim, but certainly the majority are and it is for that reason that I mentioned it. As for the funding flowing to HAMAS, here, from the pages of the JAWA Report webstie: "US$ 41.9 million project, funded by the World Bank ($19M), the governments of Canada ($0.6M), Italy ($9.7M), Saudi Arabia ($2.5M), and the United Kingdom ($8.4M), the Islamic Development Bank ($1.1M) and the Welfare Association ($0.6M).
The PNGO gave a grant of $12,900 to the Al Salah Islamic Society to help finish the Hamas run medical clinic in the al Maghazi "refugee camp" (think city) in Gaza.
So, we (US taxpayers) indirectly funded Hamas through the World Bank. The British, Canadians, and Italians even more directly funded Hamas through the PNGO.

The other source of revenue….THE STATE OF ISRAEL!

So, again I ask, where does all this money go?

Beyond this, the Bible has NO mention of Palestinians. They are a 20th century invention. Jerusalem, as you probably know, is not mentioned ONCE in the Koran.

By: Mary Rizzo

Mary Rizzo — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:35:44 +0000

Robin, as to "Aid", perhaps you aren't aware of the terminology in use. "Donations" (as per the Donor conference recently for Bethlehem) is a word that is used to express the concept of private investors putting money into projects they approve of and generally also direct. The recent one was to establish ecnomic normalisation with Israel and to increase the PA security guard (military police used only against other Palestinian factions and used only by the Al Fatah faction) in the West Bank to maintain a political stability that the West sees as being acceptable.

There is not a flow of other monies coming in, as most bank accounts going to Palestinian charities (some of the only ways to have money enter) are blocked by governments because they have these orders from Israel and Washington to do so.

As to Kunter, strangely enough, the Man is not a Muslim. He is a Lebanese Druze, those that Israel tolerates, actually. Strangely enough, he has always denied killing the child and her father, and today, I found in Italian an article about the lack of evidence except for a member of the assault squads who in his testimony said he didn't know the cause of death.

If you read Italian: http://www.effedieffe.com/content/view/3921/167/

If you don't see what you can find on it. It is not entirely as the media has presented it.

Of course Israelis aren't like "them", they accept the mass killings of Arabs and even justify them as either collateral damage, mistakes, security risks and of course, they deserved it for being in the way of Israeli grandeur.

By: Robin

Robin — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:06:33 +0000

PS….forgot to ask if anyone can explain why Palestinian leadership hasn't put to use the millions of dollars in aid it receives to build infrastructure, an indigenous economy, etc? Why are the territories still dependent on Israel for vital needs? The hardships suffered by the those living in Gaza and the West Bank should blame their own leadership. This isn't propaganda. Show me where the money went!!!

By: Robin

Robin — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:58:20 +0000

Regev and Goldwasser were in Israel when kidnapped. Fact. Kuntar murdered an innocent child. Fact. What he may have witnessed which prompted such a barbaric act, nor his age at the time are relevant. There is no way to debate this because there are two distinct value systems here. One value system deplores Kuntar's act while the other hails it as heroic. There is no grey in between. Like many Israelis said on the day when Kuntar received his victory celebratory welcome, "We're not like them."

The journalism being condemned is written by those whose value system was forged by the Old Testament, said to be revered even by Muslims. The Old Testament makes good and bad quite clear. In it, Kuntar is a depraved murderer and no context changes that. You cannot be an apologist for such an act by declaring a context. There is always a context. The hero's welcome Kuntar received reminds the world of just those societies G-d deemed a desecration to holy soil and who had to be driven out. If he world thinks Lebanon has gone mad, and reports it with this implication, it is because the Old Testament's values still have the influence they were meant to have by our Creator, at least for most of us.

By: Iqbal Tamimi

Iqbal Tamimi — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:28:24 +0000

Ibrahim Turner

I know that very well, I have my own natural compass, I can feel when people are aiming to hurt, and when they are being involved sincerely.
I only wanted to share with you my real feelings, it is amazing how compassion can make of total strangers brothers and sisters, they can talk to each other about their feelings of hurt and dissapointment.
Thank you for your kind comment.

By: Iqbal Tamimi

Iqbal Tamimi — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:23:40 +0000

Superbad comment 46

(http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38747)
The above is an accusation made against the UN and the Red Cross that they offer cover for terrorists, it was one of those made up films for propaganda. That explains why not even one USA media outlet would show it even though they would leap for such chance. If the Palestinians could hijack an ambulance they would have done so to transfer the cancer patients who died after suffering because there is no medication for them in Gaza.
( I guess you’ve already forgotten about the 2 soldiers being returned dead that were taken alive)
How many times you have to bring this up, and how many times I have to remind you that Israel has killed people in thousands not 2 people only. The soldiers you are talking about are back, but many Palestinians killed by Israel and never returned, read few names here in this link
http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/07/04/iqbal-tamimi-will-you-remember-my-name/

( And my several mentions of Schalit. I suppose to you killing Jews is not mistreating
them.)

OK what about Mervat Taha, Manal Ghanem, Samar Subaih and Fatima Alziq who are supposed to be alive. And what about
Ayat Alakhras
Dareen Abu Eshah
Wafaa Edrees
Hanadi Jaradat
Hiba Daraghme
Who are supposed to be dead. If you want people to treat you good, you should treat them that way too….

(I am most interested in the truth. I find it’s hard to locate among all the propaganda)

Propaganda?? This is your game honey.. get me a list of the names of your supposed to be prisoners, and compare them with a list of over 11.000 Palestinian prisoner in 30 Israeli jails. Those I am talking about are the living ones. There are a large number of dead Palestinians still kept in mass graves and cold rooms. I will send a rare picture of one of those mass graves numbered. I hope the moderator of the website will present it to everybody.

(You haven’t responded to why Arabs see murders as as roll models. I believe this is connected to journalism and much more. )

You haven’t responded to why Israeli settlers see murderers as role models. I would like to remind you that one of your role models killed 29 people during prayers in Alibrahimi Mosque in Hebron in March 1993 this is my home town.

( First since the wall has been in place the number if Israeli citizens killed in terror attacks has gone down considerably so it works.)

What about thousands of Palestinians families killed slowly because they are separated from their only source of living, their olive orchards, and relatives? Why don’t you think of the others too. Do you suggest that the human life on one side is worthy of protection while other souls on the other side are not?

(If you already know this save me the time which I have so little of)

Sweetheart, has any one told you that I have been appointed as your own secretary?

(I don’t believe this to be true)

So you call me a lier?

(Have you ever been in an Israeli prison do you speak from first hand knowledge?)

I can assure you there is no Palestinian family that does not have few family members inside an Israeli prison, or have relatives shot down by the Israeli forces. 20 % of the Palestinian population have been imprisoned by Israel, and this is the highest percentage in the world. And as a human rights activist like many other who happen not to be born Palestinians like myself, we know perfectly well what does it feel like to be a prisoner. If you want, you can ask your government why it has returned back British MP visitors from the airport because they came to investigate.

(I’m off to the gym now and then to get my teeth sharpened then dinner. I’ll try to get back to you tomorrow honey.)

Since I am Palestinian I stopped going to the gym, your government made us run all the time. We are being chased even in our dreams. Shape your teeth well; you might one day want to taste how bitter my flesh is.

By: Ibrahim Turner

Ibrahim Turner — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:37:38 +0000

Iqbal Tamimi on July 19th, 2008 at 14:32:

wow, very amusing and erudite Iqbal – I would not like to be your enemy!

I did not mean to come across as light weight on the deaths and perhaps on reflection the word amusing should have not been used. I was merely commenting on your sharpness of mind in the dispute of the facts and opinions with superbad. I apologize.
Ibrahim