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	<title>Comments on: Roy Ratcliffe &#8211; The Case of Gilad Atzmon and those who want him boycotted</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Grenville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Grenville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bodmer, Loom of Language, p. 422

Aramaic, not Hebrew, was the mother tongue of Palestine during the period with which the gospel narrative deals. When the evangelists quote the words of Christ, the language is Aramaic, not Hebrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bodmer, Loom of Language, p. 422</p>
<p>Aramaic, not Hebrew, was the mother tongue of Palestine during the period with which the gospel narrative deals. When the evangelists quote the words of Christ, the language is Aramaic, not Hebrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Grenville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Grenville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slipped up there. You are right! I referred to Frank Bodmer&#039;s The Loom of Language (1944). On p 194 he classifies Turkish with Tartar and Kirghiz as &quot;Turco-Tartar&quot;. Semitic languages are given as Maltese, Arabic, Aramaic Hebrew and Ethiopian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slipped up there. You are right! I referred to Frank Bodmer&#039;s The Loom of Language (1944). On p 194 he classifies Turkish with Tartar and Kirghiz as &#034;Turco-Tartar&#034;. Semitic languages are given as Maltese, Arabic, Aramaic Hebrew and Ethiopian.</p>
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		<title>By: ByTheWay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ByTheWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-8288&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Paul Grenville&lt;/a&gt; - &quot;Turkish is classified as a semitic language&quot; - That seems to be   y  o  u  r   &#039;unique&#039; classification - or can you cite some (western or non-western) source?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-8288' rel="nofollow">@Paul Grenville</a> &#8211; &#034;Turkish is classified as a semitic language&#034; &#8211; That seems to be   y  o  u  r   &#039;unique&#039; classification &#8211; or can you cite some (western or non-western) source?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Grenville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Grenville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To By the way: if you check language classifications you&#039;ll see that Turkish is classified as a semitic language, along with Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic, and maybe others. But who cares what ethnicity people belong to?
Who thought up the classifications in the first place? Probably Western orientalist grammarians...what does it all matter. It&#039;s all a red herring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To By the way: if you check language classifications you&#039;ll see that Turkish is classified as a semitic language, along with Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic, and maybe others. But who cares what ethnicity people belong to?<br />
Who thought up the classifications in the first place? Probably Western orientalist grammarians&#8230;what does it all matter. It&#039;s all a red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps one shld muse over these points:
1) there are only two structures of society: fascist and socialist 
2) from this, one concludes there are only two structures of governance: fascist and socialist
3) the fascist structures have evolved over time and during that time socialist structures that we had for an eon had been near-utterly destroyed
4) not all socialist structures have to be identical; neither are the fascist structures exactly the same.
5) had our distant ancestors implemented brutal competition instead of cooperation/interdependence, the small number of our predecessors wld have been either extinct or severely harmed or reduced in numbers      

re antisemitism
it is impossible to be  antijudiastic, anticatholic, or antiislamic and not be at the same time antisemitic, antiitalian, or antijordanian.
this solves the riddle of antisemitism. In addition, ashk&#039;c voelken are not of hebraic nor judean nor  shemitic [canaanitci-shemitic] ancestry. 
for me this forever eliminates any guilt  when called an antishemite or antisemite, if one wills. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps one shld muse over these points:<br />
1) there are only two structures of society: fascist and socialist<br />
2) from this, one concludes there are only two structures of governance: fascist and socialist<br />
3) the fascist structures have evolved over time and during that time socialist structures that we had for an eon had been near-utterly destroyed<br />
4) not all socialist structures have to be identical; neither are the fascist structures exactly the same.<br />
5) had our distant ancestors implemented brutal competition instead of cooperation/interdependence, the small number of our predecessors wld have been either extinct or severely harmed or reduced in numbers      </p>
<p>re antisemitism<br />
it is impossible to be  antijudiastic, anticatholic, or antiislamic and not be at the same time antisemitic, antiitalian, or antijordanian.<br />
this solves the riddle of antisemitism. In addition, ashk&#039;c voelken are not of hebraic nor judean nor  shemitic [canaanitci-shemitic] ancestry.<br />
for me this forever eliminates any guilt  when called an antishemite or antisemite, if one wills. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: ByTheWay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ByTheWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-8262&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Paul Grenville&lt;/a&gt; - &quot;Turkic peoples (including those from ancient Khazaria) (...) are&quot; NOT &quot;semites and&quot; do NOT &quot;speak languages described as belonging to the semitic family&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-8262' rel="nofollow">@Paul Grenville</a> &#8211; &#034;Turkic peoples (including those from ancient Khazaria) (&#8230;) are&#034; NOT &#034;semites and&#034; do NOT &#034;speak languages described as belonging to the semitic family&#034;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Grenville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Grenville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Greenstein perform at a PSC conference. I wasn&#039;t impressed and his motion wasn&#039;t carried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Greenstein perform at a PSC conference. I wasn&#039;t impressed and his motion wasn&#039;t carried.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Grenville</title>
		<link>http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/07/05/roy-ratcliffe-the-case-of-gilad-atzmon-and-those-who-want-him-boycotted/#comment-8262</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Grenville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only coherent position is to reject censorship based on accusations of anti-semitism altogether.&quot;

I agree with the above.

This looks an interesting paper. I&#039;ve only scanned it. I don&#039;t agree with Greenstein the sectarian. Atzmon should never be boycotted. His contributions are extremely valuable, and full of useful information. He has important things to say about post-1948 Jewish identity. One just needs to sort out the wheat from the chaff when reading them. It is the same with Holocaust revisionists like Butz. Worth reading, but be aware of the underlying ideology. Boycott Atzmon and you side with the Zionists. Criticise Atzmon if you want to but don&#039;t boycott him. Anti-semitism is a misnomer because Turkic peoples (including those from ancient Khazaria), Arabs and Hebrews are all semites and speak languages described as belonging to the semitic family. Israel is a state based on a racial self-identification of &quot;Jewish&quot;. None such exists. No Jewish race exists. We should reject the very idea of race out of hand. It belongs to nineteenth century colonial theory. It is rubbish. Israel is based on a false premise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;The only coherent position is to reject censorship based on accusations of anti-semitism altogether.&#034;</p>
<p>I agree with the above.</p>
<p>This looks an interesting paper. I&#039;ve only scanned it. I don&#039;t agree with Greenstein the sectarian. Atzmon should never be boycotted. His contributions are extremely valuable, and full of useful information. He has important things to say about post-1948 Jewish identity. One just needs to sort out the wheat from the chaff when reading them. It is the same with Holocaust revisionists like Butz. Worth reading, but be aware of the underlying ideology. Boycott Atzmon and you side with the Zionists. Criticise Atzmon if you want to but don&#039;t boycott him. Anti-semitism is a misnomer because Turkic peoples (including those from ancient Khazaria), Arabs and Hebrews are all semites and speak languages described as belonging to the semitic family. Israel is a state based on a racial self-identification of &#034;Jewish&#034;. None such exists. No Jewish race exists. We should reject the very idea of race out of hand. It belongs to nineteenth century colonial theory. It is rubbish. Israel is based on a false premise.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Knott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Knott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is Tony Greenstein, the leading advocate of censoring Atzmon, complaining of being censored:
http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/04/anything-but-free-guardians-cif-under.html
It seems the Guardian censored him because he compared Israel to the Nazis. Zionists call this anti-semitism. Greenstein wants Atzmon banned on the grounds that he is anti-semitic. But how can he expect everyone to accept his definition of anti-semitism? Everyone has their own definition - the line drawn by the Guardian is just as valid, or invalid, as his own line. The only coherent position is to reject censorship based on accusations of anti-semitism altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is Tony Greenstein, the leading advocate of censoring Atzmon, complaining of being censored:<br />
<a href="http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/04/anything-but-free-guardians-cif-under.html" rel="nofollow">http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/04/anything-but-free-guardians-cif-under.html</a><br />
It seems the Guardian censored him because he compared Israel to the Nazis. Zionists call this anti-semitism. Greenstein wants Atzmon banned on the grounds that he is anti-semitic. But how can he expect everyone to accept his definition of anti-semitism? Everyone has their own definition &#8211; the line drawn by the Guardian is just as valid, or invalid, as his own line. The only coherent position is to reject censorship based on accusations of anti-semitism altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Rizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Rizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/07/13/second-part-of-the-case-of-those-who-would-boycott-gilad-atzmon-by-roy-ratcliffe/

second part</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/07/13/second-part-of-the-case-of-those-who-would-boycott-gilad-atzmon-by-roy-ratcliffe/" rel="nofollow">http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/07/13/second-part-of-the-case-of-those-who-would-boycott-gilad-atzmon-by-roy-ratcliffe/</a></p>
<p>second part</p>
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		<title>By: Mony Gripstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mony Gripstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy my boy, you write about why Tony Greenstein and Rolance Rance should stop the smear campaign against Atzmon.  But there are cinematographers who truly appreciate our work, great people who are heading for the Oscars, and beyond.  One such is the renowned cinematographer Tziga&#039;le who has promised to put us on the map.  Readers, forget what this article says, and rather watch some great footage by Tziga&#039;le for yourself: 
Wiki Man - http://www.nelsok.com/video/rance_wiki_song_video
Superkosher - http://www.nelsok.com/video/superkosher_video
Mony versus the anti-Zmites - http://blip.tv/file/944075/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy my boy, you write about why Tony Greenstein and Rolance Rance should stop the smear campaign against Atzmon.  But there are cinematographers who truly appreciate our work, great people who are heading for the Oscars, and beyond.  One such is the renowned cinematographer Tziga&#039;le who has promised to put us on the map.  Readers, forget what this article says, and rather watch some great footage by Tziga&#039;le for yourself:<br />
Wiki Man &#8211; <a href="http://www.nelsok.com/video/rance_wiki_song_video" rel="nofollow">http://www.nelsok.com/video/rance_wiki_song_video</a><br />
Superkosher &#8211; <a href="http://www.nelsok.com/video/superkosher_video" rel="nofollow">http://www.nelsok.com/video/superkosher_video</a><br />
Mony versus the anti-Zmites &#8211; <a href="http://blip.tv/file/944075/" rel="nofollow">http://blip.tv/file/944075/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John  Baptist Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John  Baptist Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know about Greenstein and his incredible unlawfull past, we know about Rance being a pseudo Marxist Hasbra officer but who is this Greg joker?

Palestinian solidarity movement must liberate itself of these creatures  ASAP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know about Greenstein and his incredible unlawfull past, we know about Rance being a pseudo Marxist Hasbra officer but who is this Greg joker?</p>
<p>Palestinian solidarity movement must liberate itself of these creatures  ASAP</p>
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		<title>By: aisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>aisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, very insightful piece but really, why should Mr. Radcliffe devote 1% his fine mind to deconstructing the rants of convicted shoplifter/ dole office skivy, Greenstein &amp; house husband/wikipedia vandal Rance?  2 jokers that barely qualify as &#039;men&#039; who&#039;s ever so slight notoriety is entirely bestowed upon them by their opposition to Atzmon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, very insightful piece but really, why should Mr. Radcliffe devote 1% his fine mind to deconstructing the rants of convicted shoplifter/ dole office skivy, Greenstein &amp; house husband/wikipedia vandal Rance?  2 jokers that barely qualify as &#039;men&#039; who&#039;s ever so slight notoriety is entirely bestowed upon them by their opposition to Atzmon?</p>
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