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	<title>Comments on: Uri Avnery&#039;s 1948: A Critique</title>
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		<title>By: Raanan Geberer</title>
		<link>http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/06/08/uri-avnerys-1948-a-critique/#comment-9526</link>
		<dc:creator>Raanan Geberer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did it ever occur to you that the establishment of the State of Israel may be the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy, and that the hand of God was guiding them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did it ever occur to you that the establishment of the State of Israel may be the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy, and that the hand of God was guiding them?</p>
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		<title>By: nahida</title>
		<link>http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/06/08/uri-avnerys-1948-a-critique/#comment-4763</link>
		<dc:creator>nahida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to think that if those colonizers occupiers would stop their crimes and change their ways, I would be able to find some room in my heart to forgive them, years passes by, and their aggression only multiplies and intensifies, no sign of repentance, no halt to their crimes, no remorse; only more crimes!!!

What I see now really, is that they have missed the chance of having two states now; this solution is neither feasible nor viable

Furthermore; the zionist thieves and occupiers have gone passed the point of repentance; with their arrogance and aggression they have sunk deep into the abyss of immorality that they are unable to stop their violence, the road ahead is dark tunnel with nothing but severe, but severe punishment awaits for them

The law of Divine justice, karma, or call it what you wish

I tried on many many forums to call upon their conscience, to make them realize what they have done wrong, to stop, to say sorry and right their wrongs, but to no avail, all I got was ridicule and mockery

It’s only a matter of time now, when the inevitable will befall upon them
I have done what I can, but I cannot save any of them if they refused to be saved
They have chosen their miserable future and bleak destiny

The zionist entity is gasping for its final breaths, and in a few years time it will become history, it will cease to exist Insha’Allah

 Their greed, their foolishness, their arrogance, and their reliance on might and colonization had made it impossible for 2-state solution

 What we have now is another South Africa in the making. They will be forced to eventually grant citizenship rights to the Palestinians, which will be the majority. Good bye racist Jewish state and  welcome FREE  FAIR  PALESTINE.

I rest my case</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to think that if those colonizers occupiers would stop their crimes and change their ways, I would be able to find some room in my heart to forgive them, years passes by, and their aggression only multiplies and intensifies, no sign of repentance, no halt to their crimes, no remorse; only more crimes!!!</p>
<p>What I see now really, is that they have missed the chance of having two states now; this solution is neither feasible nor viable</p>
<p>Furthermore; the zionist thieves and occupiers have gone passed the point of repentance; with their arrogance and aggression they have sunk deep into the abyss of immorality that they are unable to stop their violence, the road ahead is dark tunnel with nothing but severe, but severe punishment awaits for them</p>
<p>The law of Divine justice, karma, or call it what you wish</p>
<p>I tried on many many forums to call upon their conscience, to make them realize what they have done wrong, to stop, to say sorry and right their wrongs, but to no avail, all I got was ridicule and mockery</p>
<p>It’s only a matter of time now, when the inevitable will befall upon them<br />
I have done what I can, but I cannot save any of them if they refused to be saved<br />
They have chosen their miserable future and bleak destiny</p>
<p>The zionist entity is gasping for its final breaths, and in a few years time it will become history, it will cease to exist Insha’Allah</p>
<p> Their greed, their foolishness, their arrogance, and their reliance on might and colonization had made it impossible for 2-state solution</p>
<p> What we have now is another South Africa in the making. They will be forced to eventually grant citizenship rights to the Palestinians, which will be the majority. Good bye racist Jewish state and  welcome FREE  FAIR  PALESTINE.</p>
<p>I rest my case</p>
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		<title>By: 3bancan</title>
		<link>http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/06/08/uri-avnerys-1948-a-critique/#comment-4757</link>
		<dc:creator>3bancan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JL on January 3rd, 2009 at 10:39


What the hell makes me an extremist/a pseudo pro-Palestinian extremist in your eyes?
Btw, it&#039;s you who sound like an ADL hasbara agent. It&#039;s people like you that &quot;both Lieberman and Feiglin thank very much&quot;. It&#039;s people like you who don&#039;t care for justice but ony for the &quot;reality&quot; as you see it.  And you seem not to see the genocide being perpetrated in Palestine by the jewnazis. And as to your future plans for Palestine: it is the same jewnazi blather that has been going on for decades and only awaits another couple of decades to bring the &quot;problem&quot; of Palestine to a happy jewnazi end: goyimreines Judennaziland...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JL on January 3rd, 2009 at 10:39</p>
<p>What the hell makes me an extremist/a pseudo pro-Palestinian extremist in your eyes?<br />
Btw, it&#039;s you who sound like an ADL hasbara agent. It&#039;s people like you that &#034;both Lieberman and Feiglin thank very much&#034;. It&#039;s people like you who don&#039;t care for justice but ony for the &#034;reality&#034; as you see it.  And you seem not to see the genocide being perpetrated in Palestine by the jewnazis. And as to your future plans for Palestine: it is the same jewnazi blather that has been going on for decades and only awaits another couple of decades to bring the &#034;problem&#034; of Palestine to a happy jewnazi end: goyimreines Judennaziland&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
		<link>http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/06/08/uri-avnerys-1948-a-critique/#comment-4748</link>
		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-4746&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@3bancan&lt;/a&gt; - What did you do more than I did for the Palestinian cause?? I deserted the Israeli army because I didn&#039;t want to help the Occupation. I&#039;m living outside Israel now. So I&#039;ve nothing to do with you heinous diatribe. 

Extremists like you only serve the cause of war because you do serve as a &quot;justification&quot; to the occupation ideologues.

Tell me, which are the achievements of people like you for the Palestinian cause?  Nothing. Nada. They just worsen the situation a little bit and, in fact, better than anybody else, you simply serve the goals of the settlers because they are now able to say: &quot;See, what our enemy wants? So there is no other solution than to drive them out.&quot;

Being a pseudo pro-Palestinian extremist, you&#039;re in fact just a very  useful helper of the Occupation regime.

Both Lieberman and Feiglin thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-4746' rel="nofollow">@3bancan</a> &#8211; What did you do more than I did for the Palestinian cause?? I deserted the Israeli army because I didn&#039;t want to help the Occupation. I&#039;m living outside Israel now. So I&#039;ve nothing to do with you heinous diatribe. </p>
<p>Extremists like you only serve the cause of war because you do serve as a &#034;justification&#034; to the occupation ideologues.</p>
<p>Tell me, which are the achievements of people like you for the Palestinian cause?  Nothing. Nada. They just worsen the situation a little bit and, in fact, better than anybody else, you simply serve the goals of the settlers because they are now able to say: &#034;See, what our enemy wants? So there is no other solution than to drive them out.&#034;</p>
<p>Being a pseudo pro-Palestinian extremist, you&#039;re in fact just a very  useful helper of the Occupation regime.</p>
<p>Both Lieberman and Feiglin thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: 3bancan</title>
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		<dc:creator>3bancan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uri Avnery is just another soft jewnazi. And the commentator No 2 JL is of course another representative of this type of jewnazi breeding. JUSTICE for the Palestinians is their last concern, all they want is to put a more &quot;humane&quot; mask on the barbaric genocidal face of the jewnazi state of Israhell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uri Avnery is just another soft jewnazi. And the commentator No 2 JL is of course another representative of this type of jewnazi breeding. JUSTICE for the Palestinians is their last concern, all they want is to put a more &#034;humane&#034; mask on the barbaric genocidal face of the jewnazi state of Israhell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
		<link>http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/06/08/uri-avnerys-1948-a-critique/#comment-4742</link>
		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my knowledge, asking to come back to the pre-1948 situation is not requested by most Palestinians.  Nor the PA, nor even the Hamas. It is indeed well known that even the latter would accept a two-states solutions as long as the word &#039;Peace&#039; is not stamped on the agreement. Scores of their leaders already told it (while deaf Israelis leaders didn&#039;t want to hear). Thus you are more &quot;pro-Palestinians&quot; than the Palestinians themselves. That sounds like extremism.

If, in fact, most Israelis agree with Uri Avnery&#039;s views (thanks to him, even if they still hate him), but very few would follow Ilan Pappe, Uri Davis and the like. In fact, This is the difference between the theory and the reality.  Like it or not but the reality is that both people are not ready to live together. So it may be nice to have a beautiful solution on the paper, but it doesn&#039;t help if you&#039;re not able to implement it.  And, as far as I know, the one-state solution didn&#039;t make his way on the Israeli side and it made its way... out on the Palestinian side.

So, at least at the start, a two-state solution is the only realistic solution (even if the historical background you provide is probably right and idealistically, your fairy tale would be wonderful). Afterwards, when the minds will evolve, and be more open, with the new reality, with the absence of new acrimony, when both people will have seen then the sky will not have collapsed on their heads, then and only then it will be a good time to tighten the links between both (or more) states.

One thing is sure: Uri Avnery has done much more, he is doing much more and he is more efficient to change the minds of the Israelis than anybody else. So kill the best messenger of Peace if you wish but accusing him of war crimes, but this won&#039;t help your own goals. Or maybe yours, but not the one of  Palestinian cause.

Arafat spoke about &quot;the Peace of the braves&quot;, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my knowledge, asking to come back to the pre-1948 situation is not requested by most Palestinians.  Nor the PA, nor even the Hamas. It is indeed well known that even the latter would accept a two-states solutions as long as the word &#039;Peace&#039; is not stamped on the agreement. Scores of their leaders already told it (while deaf Israelis leaders didn&#039;t want to hear). Thus you are more &#034;pro-Palestinians&#034; than the Palestinians themselves. That sounds like extremism.</p>
<p>If, in fact, most Israelis agree with Uri Avnery&#039;s views (thanks to him, even if they still hate him), but very few would follow Ilan Pappe, Uri Davis and the like. In fact, This is the difference between the theory and the reality.  Like it or not but the reality is that both people are not ready to live together. So it may be nice to have a beautiful solution on the paper, but it doesn&#039;t help if you&#039;re not able to implement it.  And, as far as I know, the one-state solution didn&#039;t make his way on the Israeli side and it made its way&#8230; out on the Palestinian side.</p>
<p>So, at least at the start, a two-state solution is the only realistic solution (even if the historical background you provide is probably right and idealistically, your fairy tale would be wonderful). Afterwards, when the minds will evolve, and be more open, with the new reality, with the absence of new acrimony, when both people will have seen then the sky will not have collapsed on their heads, then and only then it will be a good time to tighten the links between both (or more) states.</p>
<p>One thing is sure: Uri Avnery has done much more, he is doing much more and he is more efficient to change the minds of the Israelis than anybody else. So kill the best messenger of Peace if you wish but accusing him of war crimes, but this won&#039;t help your own goals. Or maybe yours, but not the one of  Palestinian cause.</p>
<p>Arafat spoke about &#034;the Peace of the braves&#034;, isn&#039;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Edith Cacciatore</title>
		<link>http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/06/08/uri-avnerys-1948-a-critique/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>Edith Cacciatore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 04:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.  Thanks.  I had been an admirer of Uri.  Didn&#039;t know about this.

Warm regards,

Edith Cacciatore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  Thanks.  I had been an admirer of Uri.  Didn&#039;t know about this.</p>
<p>Warm regards,</p>
<p>Edith Cacciatore</p>
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