Comments on: إقبال التميمي – الحرس الرئاسي و…طاسة الرعبة

By: Jafra

Jafra — Sat, 10 May 2008 16:53:07 +0000

once you are one of 1000.000 member big movement you have different boundary conditions for your objectives. I can imagine how to build this movement. But sure not alone ..

The problem, most of us do not like to move out of their own think-circle and act self-criticism. If you have to hand, pls read "the primitive human" for Dr. Ali Harb.

I am asking since 3 years people to ignore Israel for a while and look into our intern collective challenges. Mary said, I am thinking in very new way .. I have the feeling we are doing the job worn, as we are not successful.
Acting tactical self-criticism is the hugest power of activism.
Acting business as usual is disaster. Look to economy.

By: Iqbal Tamimi

Iqbal Tamimi — Sat, 10 May 2008 13:02:51 +0000

First of all my topic was about security. But suppose we want to organise ourselves, how do you suggest we do that?
I would like to talk about only one example….media…or only journalism.
There are two different supporters concerned with journalism. One with Fath, and the other with Hamas.
But it is quite clear that the syndicate of journalism is only interested in Fath point of view, it is not representing everybody.
I myself have been writing letters and e mails to the President of the Palestinian Syndicate of journalists who I have met in Belfast's NUJ conference; and who happened to promise all journalists in the whole wide world that he is offering his support to every journalist.
He never answers any of my e mails. We have colleagues who have demands, they need help in Palestine and elsewhere, and clearly there are misuse of authorities in some areas… How can you suggest we fix that?
Having in mind that the Journalist syndicate is supposed to be made of the top educated people, those who seek to convey the people's point of view. Can you suggest a solution here? Can you find a way to communicate with them and tell them you were not fair? Can you tell them leadership is not about chanting, its about serving common hopes and aspirations.

By: Jafra

Jafra — Sat, 10 May 2008 12:46:01 +0000

I am criticising the politic of PLO/PA. I am following the logic, if our formal leadership are not able (or do not want) to organise our global resources, we should act self-organisation.

Imagine we have (unified) virtual municipalities/ "Baladeyeh" for all Palestinian (Have you checked my presentation?)
Imagine we have Palestine-Global-University?
Imagine we have international Palestine-Media Ctr. based on our ONE history and narrative?

to have all of that and many other Organisations is a matter of strategical planing. We act only individual activism without optimizing our resources and Area of Focus.

Got it??

Pls continue discussion here: http://palestinethinktank.com/forum/ideas/self-criticsim-our-mess-and-the-meaning-to-be-palestinian/page-1/post-30/#p30

By: Iqbal Tamimi

Iqbal Tamimi — Sat, 10 May 2008 05:24:55 +0000

Mentality problems??? Jafra??
Are you living on the moon son? Palestinians have the best mentalities, but they are always under guardianship of other states. Most of them have been forced out of Palestine against their will. How do you suggest individuals can get training when they are living on other sovereign countries as individuals? What such other countries would think of them? And would they get permission to do so? Should they have all that done and with the blessing of the international community, how do you suggest to bring them back home to Palestine? Fall with heavy rain?
For God's sake do not rub their wounds with salt…do not talk about smartness when you never experienced life under siege for tens of years. Have you experienced bathing with your own sewage water like the Gazzan's. Besides, this group we are talking about are not trained to free Palestine; they are trained to organize Palestinian demonstrators inside. Palestinian forces to combat Palestinians …Got it??

By: Jafra

Jafra — Fri, 09 May 2008 23:25:00 +0000

very much misunderstood Iqbal .. what I am saying, WE Palestinian should develop ourself our own way and not use CIA to do it. We have so many smart professionals around the world to do it. Organizing the Palestinian front demands the highest priority http://apps.trocaire.org/justworld/wael/files/24 .
The fact are not able to organize our resources etc, because we have mentality problems we will not get to our rights, we will get only what it will be offer to us.

By: Iqbal Tamimi

Iqbal Tamimi — Fri, 09 May 2008 14:51:06 +0000

Mr Jafra… I did not get your point!
What do you mean by ‘The Palestinians should use sustainable resistance and civilisation building on their roots and identity???’
What sort of resistance you are demanding?
They have withstand every kind of pressure a human can endure, they fought with their own bare bodies against modern weapons, the most sophisticated form of weapon available to Palestinians was a stone… and you still talk about urging them to use their own conflict-solving mechanisms? Can you please explain what do you mean since I don't get your point?

You talk about Palestinians being consumers, can you tell me what a Palestinian can create when he does not have fuel, food, electricity, medicine..Or even few minutes of peace? Please suggest something for the Palestinians to create, and tell us if you are capable of doing so yourself?
It is easy to criticize someone whose hand in fire, while yours are in water.

By: Jafra

Jafra — Fri, 09 May 2008 11:42:45 +0000

it is absolutely wrong to use the instruments of power-politics to create human civilisation in 21th century.
Palestinian should use sustainable resistance and civilisation building on their roots and identity. We have to develop our own security and conflict-solving mechanism etc. . are we happy about CIA methodologies around the world?

We are becoming consumer of every thing, without developing our own culture .. tell today, I search for answers about what does it mean to be Palestinian .. without major common meanings we are not a nation and only consumer of standards made by power. I believe our "leadership" does not have a view about the future to be part of its developer. http://internettime.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=656824%3ABlogPost%3A19009